New Ruger coming out

[MP5_Rizzo]

1 hour ago, deerslayer said:

Being a southpaw, I like the ambi safety.  But a magazine disconnect?  Why?  Why?  Does the Mark 3 have one?  My Mark 2 does not.

Mk 3 do have a magazine disconnect but very easy to eliminate.

 

 

[Oh Shoot]

10 hours ago, MP5_Rizzo said:

Mk 3 do have a magazine disconnect but very easy to eliminate.

 

 

Meh, my SW Victory has it too, only handgun I have that does cept for a Hi-Point stash gun. The SW doesn't look to be so easy to defeat, but c'mon, who really cares ... neither it nor the MK is a frigging fighting handgun or anything.

- OS

[gun sane]

Well, it sure beats the old way.

 

[Grayfox54]

I've never owned one of the Ruger .22 pistols. I have friends who do and I have shot them, but I never cared for the grip angle. I've also heard many fussin' and cussin' about taking it apart and putting it back together. So that was another turn off. 

When they came out with the 22/45, that caught my eye. But by then I had already fallen in love with the Browning Buckmark. 

I'm sure that very soon there will be a 22/45 Mark IV. And I'm sure that I'll take a serious look at it. But I think I'll wait a while to see how the new pistol holds up. While this new take-down system seems to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, I wonder about durability. The gun is pretty much held together by one little spring loaded button.  Will the parts wear and become loose? Will the pistols accidentally disassemble themselves while firing? Only time will tell. You know the old adage. If it seems too good to be true.......

 

[JAB]

5 hours ago, Grayfox54 said:

I've never owned one of the Ruger .22 pistols. I have friends who do and I have shot them, but I never cared for the grip angle. I've also heard many fussin' and cussin' about taking it apart and putting it back together. So that was another turn off. 

When they came out with the 22/45, that caught my eye. But by then I had already fallen in love with the Browning Buckmark. 

I'm sure that very soon there will be a 22/45 Mark IV. And I'm sure that I'll take a serious look at it. But I think I'll wait a while to see how the new pistol holds up. While this new take-down system seems to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, I wonder about durability. The gun is pretty much held together by one little spring loaded button.  Will the parts wear and become loose? Will the pistols accidentally disassemble themselves while firing? Only time will tell. You know the old adage. If it seems too good to be true.......

 

I don't own one of the Ruger .22 pistols, either.  I kinda want one, though, as the shape reminds me of a Luger (although I realize they were actually based on a Japanese pistol.)  I couldn't find a Ruger at a decent price way back when I was looking for a full-sized .22 pistol so I ended up with a S&W 22A, instead.  Good pistol and I actually shoot it better than I shoot the Rugers (have shot it side by side with a friend's Ruger.)  I have to say, though, that the Ruger can't possibly be any more of a PITA than a 22A to disassemble/reassemble.  I field stripped mine.  Once.  A search for a launched spring and a big gash on my hand (from the sharp edged rear sights) later and I vowed that I'd never do that, again, unless it started malfunctioning.  Now it gets patched/cleaned wherever I can reach without taking it apart.

The LGS where I took my permit class has an old Ruger .22 that they use as one of their loaner guns for the shooting portion of the class.  I think it is probably a Mark I or II judging by how old it looks.  I was asking the owner of the store about the Rugers and field stripping once and he just laughed.  He said, "We have that loaner one.  It has been used for I don't know how many permit classes, now.  Some of the guys decided to field strip it and clean it oh, five or six years ago.  Not because it was jamming or anything - it has never had any problems.  They just felt like they should.."  He said he just pretty much does what I do with my 22A - cleans it and lubes it without stripping it.

Edited September 26, 2016 by JAB

[Capbyrd]

The people that complain about the older mark series pistols are merely incompetent to work on guns.   Besides, it doesn't even need to be taken apart.  Ever.  

[jhc77]

47 minutes ago, Capbyrd said:

The people that complain about the older mark series pistols are merely incompetent to work on guns.   Besides, it doesn't even need to be taken apart.  Ever.  

Classy right there

[gun sane]

The Top Five Things You Can Do After Reassembling the Old Ruger Mark Pistol:

(1) Apply for an automatic P.H.D. at the American Gunsmithing Institute.

(2) Crack the safe in the KFC Secret Recipe Room.

(3) Do any repair job on a Ford.

(4) Advise Rebel pilots on how to take down the Death Star.

(5) Raise Bill Ruger from the dead.

[graycrait]

After having had a sizable pile of .22 handguns over the years I still like Ruger MK pistols.  I particularly like the balance of the 5.5 bull barrel on the polymer frame, grip angle and trigger guard opening of the 22/45.  Looking at the new MKIV I wonder it that hinged redesign would work well on the 22/45.

[MP5_Rizzo]

I'm into my 3rd season of coaching in the Scholastic Action Shooting Program http://sssfonline.org/scholastic-pistol-program-spp/ .  So here's my and that's  about all it's worth because it's purely my opinion based on the past two years of dealing with rimfire guns used by our team.  All but one of our team members compete in the rimfire discipline.  The dominate rimfire pistols in order Ruger Mk II, Mk III, Buckmark (1 UDX and 1URX)  M&P 22 and just recently a S&W Victory.  I base this order on the fact that by SASP rule:

2. Due to the misfire/jamming issues generally associated with rimfire, a competitor will be allowed one (1)
“Mulligan” per stage if the issue is related to ammo/gun failure. When using the “Mulligan”, the shooter will
be allowed to reshoot the string in which the incident occurred. It will be the responsibility of the competitor
or coach to request the “Mulligan”.

We have experienced fewer reshoots with Ruger pistols.

Myself and one other coach have become fairly proficient in reassembling Ruger Mk whatever pistols.   Capbyrd has his opinion that a Ruger Mk (1-?) never needs to be disassembled, I say he's never shot one competitively.  I think the Rugers have a marked advantage over the rest of the field due to ingenious self taught engineering skills of Bill Ruger and refined with the abundance of aftermarket parts in particular Volquartsen.  I can hone and polish the internals of a stock Ruger trigger assembly to a noticeable improvement but they just don't compare to Volquartsen parts kits.  There are now a few Volquartsen parts available for the Buckmark and the Victory but the Ruger Mk 2-3 trigger kits are the best.  I personally think the Mk 2 is Superior to the Mk3 which may change once I get my hands on a Mk4 but don't count on it.  The Buckmarks fair well but just don't have much in the way of upgrades or internal modifications as the Ruger.  We just recently have had a S&W Victory in the club and I must say it's first couple of outings were less than impressive with several FTE and FTF's.  I do think it has potential.  The S&W Victory has taken some of the best of Ruger and Buckmark platforms and combined them but it's going to take some time to refine.

Once again, just my ,  YMMV.

Here's a video from the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Foundation about the Tennessee SASP.

https://youtu.be/iJpiMKW2j6k

Edited September 28, 2016 by MP5_Rizzo

[Capbyrd]

5 hours ago, jhc77 said:

Classy right there

There was supposed to be more to that but I was sitting in my car waiting on someone to open the building so I could work.  Internet cut out and while trying to switch from wifi to cell data, I think I hit send.  I just had a spinning disc on my screen and I couldn't type anymore but I didn't see where the post was made.  It was meant as a lighthearted joke and If I had been able to continue typing, that would likely have been conveyed.  

 

 

3 hours ago, MP5_Rizzo said:

Capbyrd has his opinion that a Ruger Mk (1-?) never needs to be disassembled, I say he's never shot one competitively. 

 

You would be correct.  I've never shot anything competitively.  Not really my bag.  But my mark series do get taken down.  I've upgraded a few with VQ parts. I can appreciate that.  I was just talking about for cleaning though since thats usually when people complain.  They can't put it back together and 9 times out of 10 its because they don't pay attention to the hammer strut when putting the mainspring back in.  Other than that, its as simple as any other gun that I've ever dealt with.  For the record, I do take mine down to clean.  I was just trying to be sarcastically silly when I made that post that wasn't complete when it sent.  

 

 

[graycrait]

I may be repeating myself from an "ancient" post.  

A good young friend of mine was a Wounded Warrior and after discharge from the military he went to gunsmith school in Taos, NM.  We were discussing once about good "value" .22 pistols,realizing ergonomics are probably as much a factor as anything because the "pipes" all seem to work pretty well, trigger reset another issue in some pistols.  He said someone had brought in to the school a Ruger MKII 5.5 bull barrel because they had dropped the pistol barrel first onto the concrete.   They recrowned the barrel and tuned up the innards.  One guy brought out a High Standard Supermatic Citation and another guy brought his S&W 41.  They had a shoot off with those 3 pistols with 5 different shooters.  My buddy told me it was a wash.  

Additionally I have a friend who can shoot a S&W 22A better than anyone I have ever seen one shot.  So, I'm thinking the "value" .22LR "pipes" made by decent machining work pretty decently.

I would hazard a guess that many many Ruger MK series fans will get one more Ruger, a MKIV, just because.   Once the rest of the .22LR pistol shooting world finds out how easy they are to field strip and clean, as well as the huge aftermarket, I suspect there will be a lot of new MKIV owners.  Personally I was kind of amped up to get the newish S&W22A Victory, but glad I saved the money.  

 

 

[deerslayer]

On ‎9‎/‎27‎/‎2016 at 10:12 AM, MP5_Rizzo said:

   Capbyrd has his opinion that a Ruger Mk (1-?) never needs to be disassembled, I say he's never shot one competitively. 

Ha ha ha I was thinking the same thing. 

Cap, you should bring your Ruger to a steel challenge match--you might just surprise yourself. 

Edited September 29, 2016 by deerslayer

[Capbyrd]

37 minutes ago, deerslayer said:

Ha ha ha I was thinking the same thing. 

Cap, you should bring your Ruger to a steel challenge match--you might just surprise yourself. 

I've thought about it.  But I'm not a great shooter and adding speed doesn't help.  I shoot to relax and putting a timer on it would kill that.  I raced a lot and almost made myself hate driving.  I get too wrapped up in how much I suck.  

[tercel89]

It would be nice to own and I have the money but I don't want to the hassle of finding ammo for it . I know it is here and there now but at the slightest mention of a shooting or ban , the idiots come out of the woodworks and hoard all the .22LR ammo they can find. That is why I sold my Ruger LCR .22LR. revolver. I now reload my own ammo and may never go back to the .22LR cartridge for this reason. I may sound sour but it is a crappy situation. I am a patient and well mannered fellow but seeing the same guys hoarding ammo at the same Walmart every week makes you sour .

[Capbyrd]

10 minutes ago, tercel89 said:

It would be nice to own and I have the money but I don't want to the hassle of finding ammo for it . I know it is here and there now but at the slightest mention of a shooting or ban , the idiots come out of the woodworks and hoard all the .22LR ammo they can find. That is why I sold my Ruger LCR .22LR. revolver. I now reload my own ammo and may never go back to the .22LR cartridge for this reason. I may sound sour but it is a crappy situation. I am a patient and well mannered fellow but seeing the same guys hoarding ammo at the same Walmart every week makes you sour .

Thats understandable. I don't like to think of myself as a hoarder.  My goal is to one day have about 10,000 rounds of any caliber ready to go.  I have about 7k of various 22.  3k of 9mm and a lot less in my rifle calibers.  I just buy what I can when I can knowing one day it won't be available and I'll still be able to take my usual range trips.  

[tercel89]

I agree . I just don't like the guys that buy up all the 22LR and then go sell it at 3 times the normal price. That stuff is still going on.

Edited September 29, 2016 by tercel89

[graycrait]

Lots of Ruger MKIV info here:  http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=377

[musicman]

Academy in Smyrna has had 500rd packs of .22 under 6 cents around for about two or three weeks straight now. I check 2-3 times a week.  I hate Remington so I don't buy it, but I grab a couple-three of the 325rd Federal AutoMatch every time I see it.  I've probably gotten over a dozen boxes in the last month.  They used to be $17.99 but went to $18.99 a few weeks ago.

What I've found my 10/22 likes best for cheap stuff is CCI Blazer.  The 50 rd packs are 2.49 when they have them, but I haven't seen any in months.  That's why I keep looking.

[musicman]

Academy in Smyrna has had 500rd packs of .22 under 6 cents around for about two or three weeks straight now. I check 2-3 times a week.  I hate Remington so I don't buy it, but I grab a couple-three of the 325rd Federal AutoMatch every time I see it.  I've probably gotten over a dozen boxes in the last month.  They used to be $17.99 but went to $18.99 a few weeks ago.

What I've found my 10/22 likes best for cheap stuff is CCI Blazer.  The 50 rd packs are 2.49 when they have them, but I haven't seen any in months.  That's why I keep looking.