September 11th.......never forget

[Grand Torino]

Fifteen years ago....

[runco]

I will never forget!  Its just hard to believe its been 15 years.

[btq96r]

It's no exaggeration to say this event changed the course of my life in both the short and long term with all that came after.  But today I'll pause to remember those taken from us, and those who ran into the danger to save lives at ground zero.

 

 

[TGO David]

It saddens me to see where we are as a nation on this 15th Anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.  Immediately following September 11th, 2001, the nation seemed united.  People were proud to fly the flag - everywhere.  The Sunday after 9/11, churches across the country were full to a capacity normally only seen during Christmas and Easter.  We were all joined together in sorrow, anger, patriotism and resolve.

Today?

Today spoiled brat NFL players will "take a knee" instead of standing for our national anthem.  Police and Fire departments have been made to remove the flag from their patrol cars and fire trucks because it might be offensive to someone.  Useful idiots trip over themselves trying to appease radical Muslims rather than acknowledging that you cannot barter with cancer; cancer must be eradicated.

Back when I was in elementary school, some 35 years or so ago, when you got punched in the face by a bully you didn't forget what it felt like.  It hurt like hell and you remembered it.  You did something about it.  You never forgot it.

I don't forget the first kid who punched me in the face.  I whipped his ass for it and he never did it again.  I don't forget the punch we took in the face as a country either.  We whipped some ass for that also, but the bully hasn't learned his lesson yet.  Does America have the resolve to finish the job?

I honestly don't think we do.  And maybe that's the thing that saddens me the most about this 9/11.

 

 

 

[Chucktshoes]

 

 

[Capbyrd]

I'll never forget that the events of that day were used by our politicians to justify stripping us of freedoms and the indiscriminate murder of millions of middle easterners and servicemen and women from countless nation's armies. 

[TGO David]

1 hour ago, Chucktshoes said:

 

 

Remembrance is "milking" ??

[Chucktshoes]

5 hours ago, TGO David said:

 

Remembrance is "milking" ??

When it's used to keep jingoistic emotional sentiment stirred up to justify never ending military action and the continued chipping away at civil liberties, you're absolutely correct that it qualifies as milking that long desicated cow for every last drop. 

Edited September 11, 2016 by Chucktshoes

[btq96r]

You can mark the date and remember the fallen while at the same time deploring the more egregious consequences we inflicted on ourselves in response to it.  The two aren't mutually exclusive, and both have their place so long after that fateful day.

[Chucktshoes]

5 minutes ago, btq96r said:

You can mark the date and remember the fallen while at the same time deploring the more egregious consequences we inflicted on ourselves in response to it.  The two aren't mutually exclusive, and both have their place so long after that fateful day.

But are we remembering the fallen, or are we remembering that "some filthy towelheads did that to us" so that we can also remember we're supposed to hate them?

[56FordGuy]

4 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:

But are we remembering the fallen, or are we remembering that "some filthy towelheads did that to us" so that we can also remember we're supposed to surrender our liberties to be 'safe' from them?

 

Fixed that...

[btq96r]

12 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:

But are we remembering the fallen, or are we remembering that "some filthy towelheads did that to us" so that we can also remember we're supposed to hate them?

I'm sure it's a little of both, especially with the "do something" part of the American psyche that still feels like we didn't address the immediate causes of 9/11.  Between ending the "trade tool" exemption for carry-on luggage, locking the cockpits, and our first 6-8 months in Afghanistan, followed by an active anti-terror campaign, I think we're better off.  The rest of the GWOT has been the letdown.

For myself, I choose to remember the courage of those who went without hesitation to ground zero, too many of whom died from illness brought about by the conditions there.  I know there are plenty of bad guys out there, but I'm not going to let them scare me into giving up my way of life or taking this day away from remembering what American courage looks like.

[Omega]

4 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:

But are we remembering the fallen, or are we remembering that "some filthy towelheads did that to us" so that we can also remember we're supposed to hate them?

 

4 hours ago, 56FordGuy said:

 

Fixed that...

Honestly?   What next, you guys taking a knee as well.  I personally have no issue remembering this event on it's anniversary date, and deplore the fact that other important dates seem to be forgotten today, such as Dec 7, May 8, August 14-15.  

Really, maybe you guys need to try out for the NFL.

 

As for me, I'll take a moment to remember those lost that day and those we are still losing due to that day.

[56FordGuy]

3 minutes ago, Omega said:

 

I personally have no issue remembering this event on it's anniversary date, and deplore the fact that other important dates seem to be forgotten today, such as Dec 7, May 8, August 14-15.  

As for me, I'll take a moment to remember those lost that day and those we are still losing due to that day.

 

 

I prefer to remember everything we've lost due to 9-11, not just the stuff we saw on TV. 

[Capbyrd]

4 hours ago, btq96r said:

I'm sure it's a little of both, especially with the "do something" part of the American psyche that still feels like we didn't address the immediate causes of 9/11.  Between ending the "trade tool" exemption for carry-on luggage, locking the cockpits, and our first 6-8 months in Afghanistan, followed by an active anti-terror campaign, I think we're better off.  The rest of the GWOT has been the letdown.

For myself, I choose to remember the courage of those who went without hesitation to ground zero, too many of whom died from illness brought about by the conditions there.  I know there are plenty of bad guys out there, but I'm not going to let them scare me into giving up my way of life or taking this day away from remembering what American courage looks like.

you are one of those that will sacrifice Liberty for safety.   Sorry, but you're wrong.

We aren't better off. 

 

13 minutes ago, Omega said:

 

Honestly?   What next, you guys taking a knee as well.  I personally have no issue remembering this event on it's anniversary date, and deplore the fact that other important dates seem to be forgotten today, such as Dec 7, May 8, August 14-15.  

Really, maybe you guys need to try out for the NFL.

 

As for me, I'll take a moment to remember those lost that day and those we are still losing due to that day.

 

 

I remember those dates as well.  And no reason to bring Kap into this.  We've discussed his decision at length and I think you'll find the same people that support Kap are against you in this thread as well.  

[btq96r]

1 minute ago, Capbyrd said:

you are one of those that will sacrifice Liberty for safety.   Sorry, but you're wrong.

We aren't better off.

Where are you getting that from what I wrote, or anything else I've posted on this site?

[gregintenn]

6 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:

 

 

Perhaps I miss the point of your post, or perhaps you live in the wrong damn country.

[Garufa]

Today is for remembering the attack and reflecting on the destruction and loss of life on American soil by twisted ISLAMIC terrorists.

You've got another 364 days of every year to lament our subsequent loss of liberty and weep for the poor denizens of middle eastern countries that support this kind of crap.

[Grand Torino]

6 minutes ago, Garufa said:

Today is for remembering the attack and reflecting on the destruction and loss of life on American soil by twisted ISLAMIC terrorists.

You've got another 364 days of every year to lament our subsequent loss of liberty and weep for the poor denizens of middle eastern countries that support this kind of crap.

Well said.

[Oh Shoot]

41 minutes ago, Garufa said:

Today is for remembering the attack and reflecting on the destruction and loss of life on American soil by twisted ISLAMIC terrorists.

You've got another 364 days of every year to lament our subsequent loss of liberty and weep for the poor denizens of middle eastern countries that support this kind of crap.

I've given likes to both David's and ChuckTShoes' first posts in the thread, as they both are valid in their somewhat conflicting ways.

But Garufa's best sums up my sentiment for this very day itself.

- OS

[RED333]

With this day as every day I thank the Lord for another day, to allow me to remember those lost.

 

[Sam1]

2 hours ago, 56FordGuy said:

 

I prefer to remember everything we've lost due to 9-11, not just the stuff we saw on TV. 

I got a copy of the stars and stripes from 9/12/01 framed for this purpose.  To remind me of all the freedoms that were washed away because of that day.  What is really sad is that we knew that process would start within hours of the attack.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Sam1

[300winmag]

America and the rest of Western civilization does not fight to win anymore.  Unfortunately, I think that is why we have a lot of problems with these terrorists and terrorist countries today.

[btq96r]

3 hours ago, Garufa said:

You've got another 364 days of every year to lament our subsequent loss of liberty...

Problem is people (in general) aren't paying attention to what we've lost on those days either.

[crossfire]

I used to enjoy reading all the posts on TGO, not so much any more.

Edited September 12, 2016 by crossfire