ATF Powder Reclassification Alarms Industry

[gun sane]

Gun enthusiasts are interpreting this rule change as an end run to control the ammo and reloading business.  Here's two reports to consider:

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2016/08/30/breaking-latest-atf-surprise-drive-ammo-prices-roof/

http://www.ammoland.com/2016/08/atf-reclassifies-wetted-nitrocellulose-as-explosive-materials-under-federal-laws/#axzz4Ikveu3Mq

[Omega]

I wonder what type of restrictions will be leveled at reloaders? I know I have a good stash and am not even close to what others say they have.  

[gjohnsoniv]

Wow, those (insert expletives here) are really on a roll as of late. 

[GlockSpock]

If true, interesting to see the repercussions. I imagine it would make reloading too expensive/troublesome for most and ammo will cost a lot.


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[Ugly]

30 minutes ago, gjohnsoniv said:

Wow, those (insert expletives here) are really on a roll as of late. 

No doubt! This is great for them though since it'll not only affect civilians, it will affect the military. 

What a great way to make our boom sticks not go boom. 

Regulation nation!

[mikegideon]

Vote for Democrats!

 

[GlockSpock]

I question the validity of this concern. Seems of valid you would hear more about it. All of the "big names" in the firearms industry are silent on it.

The ammoland article mentions June 2016, so it may even be a bit old news.

Here's to hoping. Still reading about it.


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[nightrunner]

If common smokeless powder is classified as a high explosive, that would require each round to have a $200 tax stamp, just like HE 40mm rounds.

[DaveTN]

  Well… if this was announced over two months ago for immediate implementation; it hasn’t worked. Ammo is still being shipped.

I too am curious to hear from the ammo manufacturers on this.

[gun sane]

We all can relax for the moment.  The ATF was shooting from the hip.

https://www.atf.gov/file/109341/download

[JohnC]

27 minutes ago, gun sane said:

We all can relax for the moment.  The ATF was shooting from the hip.

https://www.atf.gov/file/109341/download

Well, we're safe..... for now. 

[1gewehr]

On 8/31/2016 at 1:38 AM, nightrunner said:

If common smokeless powder is classified as a high explosive, that would require each round to have a $200 tax stamp, just like HE 40mm rounds.

Only if the cartridge contains more than 109 grains of powder.  Less than a 1/4 ounce of explosive is not regulated.  Even the huge .600 Nitro Express cartridge only uses 100 grains of powder.  The .50BMG uses about 250grains for comparison.

[Dolomite_supafly]

11 hours ago, JohnC said:

Well, we're safe..... for now. 

Not too often someone tells you their secret plans ahead of time but that seems to be the case here.

[nightrunner]

2 hours ago, 1gewehr said:

Only if the cartridge contains more than 109 grains of powder.  Less than a 1/4 ounce of explosive is not regulated.  Even the huge .600 Nitro Express cartridge only uses 100 grains of powder.  The .50BMG uses about 250grains for comparison.

I did not know that. Good to hear.

 

Wouldnt that mean that only bulk reloading powder would be affected by this new regulation if they decide to reverse again and implement it?

[DWARREN123]

Just a start and they will want to have it control all powder amounts. They have not yet got enough support to carry it out.

The government wants to and many dems have said they will work to get rid of firearms for civilians. 

[Wingshooter]

Hmm. What's that BP recipe again?

[xsubsailor]

21 minutes ago, Wingshooter said:

Hmm. What's that BP recipe again?

 I've got a good one, when the time comes

[tercel89]

On ‎8‎/‎31‎/‎2016 at 1:38 AM, nightrunner said:

If common smokeless powder is classified as a high explosive, that would require each round to have a $200 tax stamp, just like HE 40mm rounds.

Don't give the Govt any ideas.

[nightrunner]

3 hours ago, tercel89 said:

Don't give the Govt any ideas.

That would be them being generous. They want to outlaw it altogether. To be honest I'm highly surprised they haven't tried to outlaw machine guns completely.