MP5 Build Kit Group Buy and Build Party.

[gjohnsoniv]

Yes, as stated everyone would be doing the bending and welding of their flat. I was thinking that it would probably be best to set it up where there are two groups that are working on different aspects at the same time, and then swapping tasks. My other thought was getting some plate steel that's the same gauge as the flat and cutting it into strips. Bend those to 90 degrees and let people practice the weld on that before moving on to the flat.

[seez52]

I'm thinking the welds will be butt welds and some plug welds. The plug ones probably won't be that hard to do if they get the penetration right. The butt welds on relatively thin material is going to be somewhat of a challenge for inexperienced welders. Not raining on your parade here, but everyone is going to want a nice looking piece when they get done. Maybe there isn't much of that welding that needs to be done? As you stated before this will not be a snap together AR style project. 

With the build parties I've been involved, AR, AK and 1919, every builder has sort of their own pace so rather than grouping builders you might consider setting up workstations for the different processes. 

[gjohnsoniv]

6 minutes ago, seez52 said:

I'm thinking the welds will be butt welds and some plug welds. The plug ones probably won't be that hard to do if they get the penetration right. The butt welds on relatively thin material is going to be somewhat of a challenge for inexperienced welders. Not raining on your parade here, but everyone is going to want a nice looking piece when they get done. Maybe there isn't much of that welding that needs to be done? As you stated before this will not be a snap together AR style project. 

With the build parties I've been involved, AR, AK and 1919, every builder has sort of their own pace so rather than grouping builders you might consider setting up workstations for the different processes. 

No raining on the parade here, that's why this thread was started, to put it out there and get ideas.  That's a thought that hasn't been considered. 

[gjohnsoniv]

Anyone else have any thoughts, questions, or concerns? 

[peejman]

I'd suggest you find a good welder and have them do all of them.  Plug welds and thin sheet metal are fairly advanced techniques.

[zybysco]

I'm interested. Just depends on the details.  Sounds pretty cool.

Edited September 19, 2016 by zybysco

[Sam1]

$1400 is a great price on actual HK.

[Hershmeister]

As a devils advocate question - what would be the feature difference between this built gun and one of the clones out there?

[gjohnsoniv]

Feature difference?  As in what's the sales pitch on why you should go this route? 

If that's the question I would say A) satisfaction of doing something yourself and B ) price.

I get the satisfaction out building things and being able to say "this is mine, I built this. "  That's why I'm in it.

 

[Sam1]

12 hours ago, Hershmeister said:

As a devils advocate question - what would be the feature difference between this built gun and one of the clones out there?

Paid $1700 for an MKE clone.  It was made on the same tooling as the HK stuff, but still doesn't have the label, and can only do semi.  Fun as all hell to shoot.

Plan on paying an extra $150 for the sliding stock and $200 for a stamp because you won't leave it as a pistol very long at all.

[gjohnsoniv]

Obviously I can't say right now what the completed price will be but I'd wager that you will save several hundred over buying a clone. Given you will be putting in the time and work. 

[ShamGlock]

Tentatively interested, pending specifics. Seems like a good time.

[JohnC]

Interesting.... I'll need to read up on this. Might get in if its not too complicated.


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[Sam1]

Just finished cleaning my from yesterday's range trip.  It reminded me how awesome these are.  If you get one, you'll ask yourself why you didn't get it 10 years ago.

[gjohnsoniv]

Doing a topic bump with some pricing released. As it stands at this moment if five kits are ordered the price will drop $150 to $1,300. Greater discounts for quantities above this. 

[Hershmeister]

Feature difference?  As in what's the sales pitch on why you should go this route? 

If that's the question I would say A) satisfaction of doing something yourself and B ) price.

I get the satisfaction out building things and being able to say "this is mine, I built this. "  That's why I'm in it.

 

I know that part - i was wondering how the clones differed from these builds? Aren't there some differences?

[gjohnsoniv]

7 minutes ago, Hershmeister said:

I know that part - i was wondering how the clones differed from these builds? Aren't there some differences?

That's where I'm not knowledgeable enough to say.  I do know one of the clones has a push pin lower whereas these can't have that. That clone has another modification done to it to make it legal with the push pin.  Outside of that I'm still doing my own research into the system and differences. 

[Ted S.]

Bumping this. Hopefully we'll have a timeline for the group buy if not the build party by mid-October as well as a build party location.

[abusfullofnuns]

Was there more thought put into the welding?  I've done some mig and tig building various turbo cars, but I'm not comfortable on thinner gauge stamped steel. Good penetration without blowing through it is a fine line on small stuff. 

Still interested. 

[Sam1]

practice before the party!

 

[Ted S.]

On 09/15/2016 at 7:52 PM, abusfullofnuns said:

Was there more thought put into the welding?  I've done some mig and tig building various turbo cars, but I'm not comfortable on thinner gauge stamped steel. Good penetration without blowing through it is a fine line on small stuff. 

Still interested. 

It's something we're thinking about still.

[gjohnsoniv]

I'm bumping this topic because I lost the postponement thread but I wanted to share some progress.  Both have gone dormant due to some unfortunate circumstances but once they're resolved we should be up and running again.

In any case I decided to go ahead and build out a G3 to learn the ropes and try to find any pit falls.  So far I've learned far more than I thought was possible about these systems, and made a few more mistakes than I care to admit along the way.  It still needs some clean up and paint after the test fire but here it is as of today.

[JoeCorrado]

Very awesome!! Looks like the big brother to my CETME L from HMG.