Ryan, top Republicans urge caution on post-Orlando gun control measures

[The Legion]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/16/ryan-top-republicans-urge-caution-on-post-orlando-gun-control-measures.html?intcmp=hpbt2

 

Published June 16, 2016

FoxNews.com

House Speaker Paul Ryan and other top Republicans pushed back Thursday on growing calls from Democrats to ban people on terror watch lists from buying guns, even as Donald Trump and other GOP figures opened the door to discussing it.

Calls for action have increased in the wake of the terror massacre at Pulse nightclub in Orlando that left 50 people, including the gunman, dead on Sunday. The gunman, Omar Mateen, had been on a watch list for 10 months before being removed.

“We want to make sure that something like this doesn't happen again. Everybody wants that," Ryan told reporters Thursday. "But as we look at how to proceed, we also want to make sure that we're not infringing upon people's legitimate constitutional rights. That's important.” 

Ryan's comments come a day after Trump indicated potential support for new gun laws in this area. 

“I will be meeting with the N.R.A., who has endorsed me, about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list, or the no-fly list, to buy guns,” the presumptive GOP presidential nominee tweeted Wednesday.

Whether Trump would support an outright ban or just a delay for gun sales for those on watch lists is not clear.

That is the sticking point right now in the Senate. 

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and other Democrats are pushing a measure to ban those on no-fly lists from purchasing weapons.  

But Republicans worry about such a measure infringing on gun rights for someone wrongly included on such a list. 

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, has a dueling measure to delay a gun sale for 72 hours, but require prosecutors to go to court to show probable cause if they want to block the sale permanently.

Cornyn’s bill has been backed by the NRA.

Meanwhile, Republican Sens. Charles Grassley, of Iowa, and Ted Cruz, of Texas, have a measure that would notify law enforcement if anyone investigated for terrorism in the last five years tries to buy a gun -- in addition to making other changes. 

Democrats drew more attention to their version of the legislation Wednesday night as Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., held the floor along with colleagues in a nearly 15-hour filibuster that lasted into the early hours Thursday. 

"We can't just wait, we have to make something happen," said Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., at an emotional news conference where Democrats joined family members of people killed in the nation's recent mass shootings. "These are people bound by brutality, and their numbers are growing."

But Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., blasted Murphy's filibuster as a "campaign talk-a-thon" that did nothing but delay potential votes.

Cruz also slammed Democrats, saying on the Senate floor the Democrat effort was nothing more than a political distraction that avoided the real issues.

“I find it ridiculous that in response to an ISIS terror attack, the Democrats go on high dudgeon that we've got to restrict the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens,” Cruz said. “This is not a gun control issue, this is a terrorism issue.”

Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., called Cornyn's bill a "wolf in sheep's clothing" and said it would allow "every terrorist to get a gun." Clinton's spokesman, Brian Fallon, called Cornyn's bill a "smokescreen."

Cornyn responded angrily.

"That's an incredibly ignorant thing for her to say," Cornyn said. "That anybody can be denied their constitutional rights without due process of law and without the government coming forward and establishing probable cause, that's simply un-American."

A possible bipartisan compromise was proposed by Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa. Toomey said Wednesday his bill would prevent potential terrorists from getting a gun, while providing an extra layer of due process that the Democratic bill lacks.

“I have drafted legislation that takes the best features from both of the previous proposals, effectively preventing terrorists from being able to purchase guns, while also safeguarding the rights of innocent Americans who are mistakenly put on the list,” Toomey said.

Meanwhile, the Justice Department backed a ban on gun sales to those on watch lists. 

“The amendment gives the Justice Department an important additional tool to prevent the sale of guns to suspected terrorists by licensed firearms dealers while ensuring protection of the department’s operational and investigative sensitivities," a DOJ official said in a statement. 

The DOJ’s stance is a departure from past warnings from FBI Director James Comey, who reportedly has said a ban could alert terrorists they are being investigated. 

Ryan cited those remarks when talking to reporters.

“As the FBI director just told us the other day, and I think he said this publicly, if we do this wrong, like the president is proposing, we can actually blow our ongoing terrorist investigations. So, we want to get this right, so that we don't undermine terrorist investigations,” Ryan said.

 

 

 

Edited June 16, 2016 by The Legion

[battleop]

Don't deny them from buying a gun so it doesn't blow the FBI's cover.   Instead just flag it and make it #1 top priority for the agency investigate it immediately.

[Mike.357]

so if you are denied based on these proposed laws what is the avenue to have a mistaken situation rectified?

When you get denied they don't tell you why,

[JayC]

Here we go again, Negotiate Rights Away strikes again...  

It's a violation of every conservative principal to deny a person a fundamental right without being found beyond all reasonable doubt guilty of a crime by his peers.  Here we have a list where you don't know if you're on it, and can't get yourself off of it, even if you're completely innocent.  

400,000 Americans are on these lists, even the most restrictive the no-fly list have 25,000+ Americans on it, and it's full of errors.

And just in case you think that is a minor issue, here is a news article how a widely known conservative journalist (Weekly Standard) was added to the no fly list and took months to get himself off of the list, how long would it take you or I get off that list if it took him so long?

http://www.npr.org/2014/09/28/352290026/how-a-journalist-ended-up-on-a-terror-watch-list

[battleop]

"and can't get yourself off of it"

There has to be a reasonable way to get off of it if you are on it in error.    

[xsubsailor]

The latest:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/senate-vote-gun-restrictions-224426

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senate-past-mondays-doomed-votes-gun-control/story?id=39930321

[Randall53]

On 6/16/2016 at 6:50 PM, The Legion said:

The gunman, Omar Mateen, had been on a watch list for 10 months before being removed.

So we have innocent people that are on these lists unjustly that cannot seem to get themselves removed. We also have the Orlando Shooter that was investigated by the FBI who later dropped the case and this person was also on these lists and later removed. The LISTS aren't working and have proven totally unreliable. they should be getting rid of these lists while developing better surveillance means of tracking terrorists and leave the rights of the law abiding citizen's access to the firearm of his/her choice alone. Like someone said....we're not suppose to judge Islam by the actions of this guy, but it's ok to judge all gun owners by the actions of this same guy. It seems that lack of sleep from worrying about ways to get re-elected has fried the brains of those in Washington.

[DaveTN]

Very few are in disagreement on this. Both parties, the NRA and most Americans believe that people on a terror watch list or no-fly list should not be able to buy guns.

The only thing that is lacking is how due process will be accomplished. If no person had ever been wrongly put on one of these lists it would be a non-issue. But we know that isn’t true. If the government and human beings are involved there will be mistakes.

A law banning sales to these people would fly though and be enacted into law if a realistic recourse was available to those accused. That has not yet been presented. The legal system is big and slow to move, so I doubt they could handle a speedy response.

[bersaguy]

1 hour ago, Randall53 said:

So we have innocent people that are on these lists unjustly that cannot seem to get themselves removed. We also have the Orlando Shooter that was investigated by the FBI who later dropped the case and this person was also on these lists and later removed. The LISTS aren't working and have proven totally unreliable. they should be getting rid of these lists while developing better surveillance means of tracking terrorists and leave the rights of the law abiding citizen's access to the firearm of his/her choice alone. Like someone said....we're not suppose to judge Islam by the actions of this guy, but it's ok to judge all gun owners by the actions of this same guy. It seems that lack of sleep from worrying about ways to get re-elected has fried the brains of those in Washington.

" It seems that lack of sleep from worrying about ways to get re-elected has fried the brains of those in Washington."

 

The way I see this is the lack of doing anything will be what gets them kicked out of their job. The American people are already tired on a Congress that claims they are working very hard yet nothing is getting done. That is what will get them voted out...............jmho