HCP Class Information

[Luckyforward]

The Tennessee Department of Safety has sent letters telling firearms instructors that "effective immediately" they are required to complete and fill out a roster that is to be faxed to the Department of Safety within 24 hours of a handgun permit certification class.

Have a look at the roster:

http://www.state.tn.us/safety/forms/HGs ... 862408.pdf

This roster collects information concerning the weapons used in the class including the owner's name and the serial number as well as the make, model and caliber of the weapon.

As I understand it, nothing in the statutes authorizes or directs the Department of Safety to collect or require this information.

Contact your legislators IMMEDIATELY!

[BigPoppa]

+ 1.

I have been contacted by, or in touch with, 2 of my fellow HCP Instructors today discussing this new development.

Among the ideas being kicked around are asking the AG for an opinion on the legality of what amounts to gun registration.

Here's the part that concerns me GREATLY:

This roster collects information concerning the weapons used in the class including the owner's name and the serial number as well as the make, model and caliber of the weapon.

[Guest nraforlife]

TYPO's, misread serial numbers, bad info and whatever else can be done. Form doesn't say it has to be accurate

[Luckyforward]

+ 1.

I have been contacted by, or in touch with, 2 of my fellow HCP Instructors today discussing this new development.

Among the ideas being kicked around are asking the AG for an opinion on the legality of what amounts to gun registration.

Here's the part that concerns me GREATLY:

This roster collects information concerning the weapons used in the class including the owner's name and the serial number as well as the make, model and caliber of the weapon.

Great comment . . . +11111111111111111111111111

[BigPoppa]

Lucky,

I don't know what part of Nashville you're in as it relates to who your State Representative is, but Ben West, Jr. has been reliably pro lawful gun owner.

Some calls and letters to him would probably be helpful.

[Guest Provence]

You can qualify with your sister-in law's best friend's second cousin's handgun.

The information they're asking for is not just intrusive. It's also worthless.

[Guest bkelm18]

Yeah its pretty pointless especially since quite a number of people use the rental range guns available when they take the class.

[Guest grimel]

Every instructor needs to buy a number of cheap 22lr revolvers (half your class size). Every class has the same serial numbers.

[Luckyforward]

Every instructor needs to buy a number of cheap 22lr revolvers (half your class size). Every class has the same serial numbers.

+1 and all of us need to tell persons who take a HCP class that they need to get a handgun at the place they take the class and NOT use their own handgun

[Fallguy]

I have e-mailed the DOS and asked them why they decided to ask for this information. I went on to ask why they require and information about the handgun used, since one is not limited to the gun used as the only one they can carry.

I doubt I get any response, but if I do I'll post it.

Edited December 18, 2008 by Fallguy

[Guest Rainmaker]

Here's wishing I had gotten my HCP when my friend urged me to, months ago. Question from someone new to CCW; Did they always collect your name and info? Is the reporting to the DoS and recording the serial number the only new part to the equation? Maybe we can sic the NRA legal department on them.

[Reservoir Dog]

Here's wishing I had gotten my HCP when my friend urged me to, months ago. Question from someone new to CCW; Did they always collect your name and info? Is the reporting to the DoS and recording the serial number the only new part to the equation? Maybe we can sic the NRA legal department on them.

The serial number is the new part. They have previously had all of the other info on the form.

[Guest dwrd]

Isn't the main contact on that letter the same state employee who had been embezzling money and was caught recently?

[BigPoppa]

Isn't the main contact on that letter the same state employee who had been embezzling money and was caught recently?

No.

[Guest dwrd]

No.

Thanks. Just went back and read that new story to see if it was the same.

[Guest abailey362]

sold the gun that i qualified with.....but didn't have to log the serial number either

[Guest truthsayer]

I qualified with the worst gun I ever owned. Luckily, I traded it right after I got my permit.

[greenego]

As far as I know all but the serial number was recorded on the application when I took the carry class. I really don't see the reason for this. My wife, daughter, son and myself all qualified with the the same gun. An S&W 620. Not really a carry gun. I tried to call and ask why the new requirement but as we all know there are only recordings used when you call government. I will keep trying and will give a call to my State Rep. This may be nothing but then again?

[Cannon Fodder]

****, my class is Sat. Its the Osama train taking over. "Law abiding gun owners have nothing to worry about", my ass.

[Cannon Fodder]

What do some of the instructors on here have to say, and what did the letter exactly state as the reason why?

[DavidD]

I have contacted my Rep. Susan Lynn. She has been very Pro 2A in the past. I'll post her response as soon as I get it.

[kckndrgn]

Can anyone post a copy of the actual letter?

[DavidD]

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Tennessee Department of Safety (TDOS) Implements

De Facto Gun Registration Scheme!

Please Stand-Up and Make Your Voices Heard!<O:p></O:p>

The Tennessee Department of Safety (TDOS) is currently sending letters to all firearms instructors requiring them to complete and return a copy of a Handgun Safety School Class Roster within 24 hours of the completion of a handgun permit certification class, “effective immediately.”

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This new roster requires a student to provide information concerning the name of the firearm owner, the name of the student using the firearm, as well as the make, model, and serial number of firearms used. Currently, there are no statutes that authorize the TDOS to collect or require this information. Simply put, this is a backdoor, de facto gun registration scheme! Remember, registration is the first step to potential firearms confiscations.<O:p></O:p>

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To view a version of the roster form, please click here.<O:p></O:p>

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It is imperative that Tennessee’s law abiding gun owners stand-up and voice their opposition to this gun registration plot. Please contact the Tennessee Department of Safety and your State Legislators TODAY and respectfully let them know that you oppose the need and use of these rosters.The Tennessee Department of Safety can be reached by phone at (615) 253-5221 or toll-free at 866-849-3548. To find contact information for your State Legislators, please click here.<O:p></O:p>

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Edited December 18, 2008 by DavidD

[Punisher84]

RUH ROH RAGGY! This is interesting in that Oh my God my foot just fell off kind of interesting.

[greenego]

I received an email from the NRA about this. I then emailed my State Rep. Have not heard back yet.

Edited December 18, 2008 by greenego