Local Police/ATF Agreement to Enforce Gun Control

[JohnC]

Local Police/ATF Agreement to Enforce Gun Control

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utX11tCSnAk

Opinions?

[rmiddle]

Why on earth would a local law enforcement every agree to a contract like that?

[Dolomite_supafly]

Even though covering overtime might seem like small potatoes that number could be huge. So having the Feds pay some of the jurisdiction's overtime bill would be a HUGE incentive to work with the ATF. I would also venture to guess that the department would also be given other perks for helping the ATF.

The way things should be is the Feds stay out of state business unless the state requests their help. And even then the Feds involvement should be very, very small.

[Chucktshoes]

Even though covering overtime might seem like small potatoes that number could be huge. So having the Feds pay some of the jurisdiction's overtime bill would be a HUGE incentive to work with the ATF. would also venture to guess that the department would also be given other perks for helping the ATF.

The way things should be is the Feds stay out of state business unless the state requests their help. And even then the Feds involvement should be very, very small.

Like carte blanche for the civil asset forfeiture revenue sharing program where 80% is returned to the local agency? I'd be interested to see the comparison of those numbers with local jurisdictions without that kind of MOA.

[JAB]

Okay, so let me get this straight.  Local law enforcement departments - in this case in Arizona - helping the Feds enforce (sometimes unconstitutional) gun control laws is just fine.  Local law enforcement tackling an issue that seems to be a much bigger problem in states such as Arizona by trying to combat illegal immigration through enforcing laws which the Feds want to ignore, however, infringes on Federal authority and the officials of those departments will end up in court over it.

 

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/sheriff-joe-arpaio-raids-illegal/2016/05/03/id/726885/

[Oh Shoot]

TN has a law that would specifically prohibit that, at least as far as state LEA, unless the focus of the federal investigation also were a violation of TN state law.

 

- OS

Edited May 6, 2016 by Oh Shoot

[DaveTN]

What federal gun laws are they enforcing that are not a crime at the state level? Is this really an issue? Who are they arresting and what are they being charged with?

They tried to tie the hands of TN Leo’s on enforcing immigration laws; saying the state does not have the authority to protect its own state. I don’t know if that has worked its way through the courts yet.

[btq96r]

The .gov teat is pretty hard to resist when it's spouting so much milk for the taking.  Couple that with how hard it is to get revenues increased at the local level, it's easy to see how this kind of system comes to pass for cash strapped departments.  The line between a local PD becoming an extension of the federal government is thinner than people think.

[Oh Shoot]

What federal gun laws are they enforcing that are not a crime at the state level?...

 

Top of my head:

 

- Non-violent non-drug related felons may possess long guns

 

- Many federal AOW prohibitions are not unlawful

 

- Firearms may fire two shots with single trigger pull

 

- The entire 4473 process not a requirement to purchase under state law, some of the banned classifications of persons on it are not banned by state law, nor is lying on it a state crime.

 

- Not to mention manufacture or possession of any firearm covered by the TN Firearm Freedom Act.

 

Probably any number of other examples exist too.

 

 

- OS

Edited May 7, 2016 by Oh Shoot

[JohnC]

Top of my head:

 

- Non-violent non-drug related felons may possess long guns

 

- Many federal AOW prohibitions are not unlawful

 

- Firearms may fire two shots with single trigger pull

 

- The entire 4473 process not a requirement to purchase under state law, some of the banned classifications of persons on it are not banned by state law, nor is lying on it a state crime.

 

- Not to mention manufacture or possession of any firearm covered by the TN Firearm Freedom Act.

 

Probably any number of other examples exist too.

 

 

- OS

 

Can you link the TN Firearms Freedom Act for m if you have it?

[Oh Shoot]

Can you link the TN Firearms Freedom Act for m if you have it?

 

TCA 4-54-101

 

http://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/2010/title-4/chapter-54

 

- OS

[DaveTN]

Can you link the TN Firearms Freedom Act for m if you have it?

 
 

TCA 4-54-101
http://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/2010/title-4/chapter-54

With the ruling on the Montana Firearms Freedom act, it's pretty worthless isn't it?

[Oh Shoot]

 
 
With the ruling on the Montana Firearms Freedom act, it's pretty worthless isn't it?

 

Dunno. Neither one has been truly tested -- with the guns themselves!  And remember, the state LEOs ain't supposed to get involved, unless they side with the citizenry!

 

- OS

Edited May 8, 2016 by Oh Shoot

[JayC]

Simple way to solve this, make it a crime for employees of MT or TN or any subdivision to provide material support to ATF agents in any way shape or form.  And remove immunity in all cases where they violate said law.

 

Dunno. Neither one has been truly tested -- with the guns themselves!  And remember, the state LEOs ain't supposed to get involved, unless they side with the citizenry!

 

- OS

[ReeferMac]

Okay, so let me get this straight.  Local law enforcement departments - in this case in Arizona - helping the Feds enforce (sometimes unconstitutional) gun control laws is just fine.  Local law enforcement tackling an issue that seems to be a much bigger problem in states such as Arizona by trying to combat illegal immigration through enforcing laws which the Feds want to ignore, however, infringes on Federal authority and the officials of those departments will end up in court over it.

 

Welcome to the banana republik of the USSA!

 

- K