New gun bills set for hearing this week

[Dustbuster]

from the nra newsletter

 

This week, several pro-gun bills are scheduled for hearings in the Tennessee General Assembly.  Please contact members of the Senate Judiciary Committee and members of the House Civil Justice Subcommittee and ask for their support of the following bills:

Senate Bill 1559 and House Bill 1644, sponsored by state Senator Mike Bell (R-9) and state Representative Tilman Goins (R-10) respectively, would require the chief administrative officer of a private school to implement a handgun carry policy.

Senate Bill 2376, also sponsored by Senator Bell, would allow an employee of a public college or university with a valid handgun carry permit to carry a handgun on school property.

House Bill 2575, sponsored by state Representative Gerald McCormick (R-26), would extend permit renewals to occur every eight years and would also lower handgun permit fees.

Senate Bill 1991, sponsored by state Senator Brian Kelsey (R-3), would prohibit a public institution from taking action against an employee or student for the lawful transportation or storage of a firearm or ammunition.

We strongly urge you to contact members of the Senate Judiciary Committee and members of the House Civil Justice Subcommittee and ask for their support on these critical bills.

House Civil Justice Subcomittee

Representative Jim Coley
(615) 741-8201
rep.jim.coley@capitol.tn.gov

Representative Bill W. Beck
(615) 741-3229
rep.bill.beck@capitol.tn.gov

Representative Mike Carter
(615) 741-3025
rep.mike.carter@capitol.tn.gov

Representative Sherry Jones
(615) 741-2035
rep.sherry.jones@capitol.tn.gov

Representative Jon Lundberg
(615) 741-7623
 rep.jon.lundberg@capitol.tn.gov

 

Senate Judiciary Committee

Senator Brian Kelsey
(615) 741-3036
sen.brian.kelsey@capitol.tn.gov

Senator Doug Overbey
(615) 741-0981
sen.doug.overbey@capitol.tn.gov

Senator Janice Bowling
615-741-6694
sen.janice.bowling@capitol.tn.gov

Senator Mike Bell
(615) 741-1946
sen.mike.bell@capitol.tn.gov

Senator Todd Gardenhire
(615) 741-6682
sen.todd.gardenhire@capitol.tn.gov

Senator Lee Harris
(615) 741-1767
sen.lee.harris@capitol.tn.gov

Senator Sara Kyle
(615) 741-4167
sen.sara.kyle@capitol.tn.gov

Senator Kerry Roberts
(615) 741-4499
sen.kerry.roberts@capitol.tn.gov

Senator John Stevens
(615) 741-4576
sen.john.stevens@capitol.tn.gov

[Radlink54]

So as usual no progress on removing the onerous penalties in place in TN for carry past the multitude of inconsistent, nebulous, and often barely visible posting signs allowed in TN.

 

We need something like this in Missouri:

 

Locations Where Not Authorized – Not a criminal act under Missouri law  (See 571.107 RSMo)

A ccw permit does not authorize any person to carry concealed firearms into the 17 locations summarized below. (See statute for full details on each.) Doing so is not a criminal act under Missouri law, but may subject the permit holder to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If the individual refuses to leave after being asked and the police are called, he or she may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed $100; a second offense within 6 months is a $200 fine and suspension of the ccw permit for one year; a third offense within 12 months is a $500 fine and the loss of the ccw permit for 3 years.

 

Numerous other states similar.  Why is no one in TN interested in this issue?

[rmiddle]

So as usual no progress on removing the onerous penalties in place in TN for carry past the multitude of inconsistent, nebulous, and often barely visible posting signs allowed in TN.

 

We need something like this in Missouri:

 

Locations Where Not Authorized – Not a criminal act under Missouri law  (See 571.107 RSMo)

A ccw permit does not authorize any person to carry concealed firearms into the 17 locations summarized below. (See statute for full details on each.) Doing so is not a criminal act under Missouri law, but may subject the permit holder to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If the individual refuses to leave after being asked and the police are called, he or she may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed $100; a second offense within 6 months is a $200 fine and suspension of the ccw permit for one year; a third offense within 12 months is a $500 fine and the loss of the ccw permit for 3 years.

 

Numerous other states similar.  Why is no one in TN interested in this issue?

 

Because many of the Powers that be don't like Gun Carry at all and anything that limits it is a good thing.  They also like power and know they have to at least make it look good in order to sell it so they toss crumbs at gun owner but don't want to make it 2 convent or more people might actual carry firearms.

 

Thanks

Robert

[quietguy]

Because many of the Powers that be don't like Gun Carry at all and anything that limits it is a good thing.  They also like power and know they have to at least make it look good in order to sell it so they toss crumbs at gun owner but don't want to make it 2 convent or more people might actual carry firearms.

 

Thanks

Robert

We could probably get almost anything we want if it was effectively represented and lobbied correctly.  To say that "the Powers that be don't like Gun Carry at all" is naive and ill informed. 

 

Most of the legislators struggle with the balance between the property rights of business owners and gun rights.  The business community has done a much better job than the NRA or TFA.  

 

I do think that Constitutional Carry would be hard to achieve, because there is a tremendous value placed on the background checks that HCP holders go through.  

Edited February 9, 2016 by quietguy

[Omega]

We could probably get whatever we want if it was effectively represented and lobbied correctly.  To say that "the Powers that be don't like Gun Carry at all" is naive and ill informed. 

 

Most of the legislators struggle with the balance between the property rights of business owners and gun rights.  The business community has done a much better job than the NRA or TFA.  

 

I do think that Constitutional Carry would be hard to achieve, because there is a tremendous value placed on the background checks that HCP holders go through.  

I think you are more I'll informed than he.  When the bill came up to allow open carry without permit it was killed, it was evident then that TPTB did not want it passed.  And now they are trying to ban CC from paid public parks.  And it's a supposedly pro-gun Republican legislative body.

[quietguy]

I think you are more I'll informed than he.  When the bill came up to allow open carry without permit it was killed, it was evident then that TPTB did not want it passed.  And now they are trying to ban CC from paid public parks.  And it's a supposedly pro-gun Republican legislative body.

I think you meant ill-informed, but I don't think that is the case.  I guess I should have stated we could get whatever we want within reason.  

 

As I stated, there is a lot of weight placed on the value of the background check process that the HCP process provides.  Open carry without a permit is probably a no-go, but I equate that with Constitutional Carry.  

 

Do you have a bill reference for banning CC carry in public parks?  Please provide the HB or SB numbers.  If you are talking about HB1409, then it has almost no chance of getting out of committee, much less passing.  Any legislator can file a bill, doesn't mean it will pass or has significant support.  

 

I am just saying that if our side lobbied issues the same way the business community did, we would have a lot more success.  TFA and NRA have a reputation for trying bully issues, and not working members.  

Edited February 9, 2016 by quietguy

[Omega]

I think you meant ill-informed, but I don't think that is the case.  I guess I should have stated we could get whatever we want within reason.  

 

As I stated, there is a lot of weight placed on the value of the background check process that the HCP process provides.  Open carry without a permit is probably a no-go, but I equate that with Constitutional Carry.  

 

Do you have a bill reference for banning CC carry in public parks?  Please provide the HB or SB numbers.  If you are talking about HB1409, then it has almost no chance of getting out of committee, much less passing.  Any legislator can file a bill, doesn't mean it will pass or has significant support.  

 

I am just saying that if our side lobbied issues the same way the business community did, we would have a lot more success.  TFA and NRA have a reputation for trying bully issues, and not working members.  

Yes, good catch, apparently my autocorrect is misspelling for me.  And yes, that is the bill I was referring to; don't be surprised if it goes further than you think.  As for the background check, lets be honest, if it was held to such a high importance we would never have the guns in cars or trunks law pass.  It's kind of late to look up the actual law, will try and insert later; but no licence at all required to possess a gun in a vehicle right now.  One can argue that you passed a bg check upon purchase, but we know some purchased privately.  And if that were the premise, then we should not need further bg checks with a CCW permit when we buy more guns.

 

I do agree that laws should be better crafted, both pro and anti gun laws can be vague at times leaving more questions than answers.  But I for one don't think that about the NRA and TFA, if we didn't have those kinds of organizations we would not have many pro gun laws passed.  Look at how the anti-gunner organizations operate, and look at all those anti-gun laws that get passed.  Do you think they are bullying law makers and private companies to pass anti-gun laws and policies?

[Oh Shoot]

.....  As for the background check, lets be honest, if it was held to such a high importance we would never have the guns in cars or trunks law pass.  It's kind of late to look up the actual law, will try and insert later; but no licence at all required to possess a gun in a vehicle right now.  ...

 

However, to possess those guns in the vehicle in posted parking lots, employer lots, or school property still requires a permit, so the permit is still held to somewhat "high importance".

 

- OS

[quietguy]

 

 

As for the background check, lets be honest, if it was held to such a high importance we would never have the guns in cars or trunks law pass. 

Which applies to HCP holders.  

 

 

 

I do agree that laws should be better crafted, both pro and anti gun laws can be vague at times leaving more questions than answers.  But I for one don't think that about the NRA and TFA, if we didn't have those kinds of organizations we would not have many pro gun laws passed.  Look at how the anti-gunner organizations operate, and look at all those anti-gun laws that get passed.  Do you think they are bullying law makers and private companies to pass anti-gun laws and policies?

 

 

I don't disagree, but you have to understand the political reality of Tennessee.  There isn't a large or vocal anti-gun contingent.  The real issue is business vs. individual rights.  There are groups in Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville, and Chattanooga that are anti's, but no one gives them much credence.  

 

Remember that Phil Bredesen won in '02 because Van Hilleary chickened out of a skeet shoot.  

[Omega]

However, to possess those guns in the vehicle in posted parking lots, employer lots, or school property still requires a permit, so the permit is still held to somewhat "high importance".

 

- OS

Well, yes sort of.  The permit may come in handy for those places, but many more are probably carrying outside those areas than in those areas.

 

Which applies to HCP holders.  

 

 

 

 

 

I don't disagree, but you have to understand the political reality of Tennessee.  There isn't a large or vocal anti-gun contingent.  The real issue is business vs. individual rights.  There are groups in Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville, and Chattanooga that are anti's, but no one gives them much credence.  

 

Remember that Phil Bredesen won in '02 because Van Hilleary chickened out of a skeet shoot.  

The first one applies to permit and non-permit holders while the second one only applies to permit holders. 

 

The thing I understand about politics in TN is that while it does lean more pro-gun in its laws, it has many anti-gun...well lets just say not as pro-gun laws as it should have.  The fact that you need background checks even with a valid permit, the whole force of law on carrying past a sign, the many cities that attempted to still keep parks posted, (and some still are!), the many anti-discharge regulations/laws within city limits (even if you have space), even for bb guns and sling shots, etc etc.  If there is no vocal anti-gun culture in TN then where in the heck did these laws come from?  The silent majority in the TN legislature, and local law makers; that's where.  We have had lip service only, with some laws passed to appease the pro 2A among us, but when it come to passing meaningful laws they have come up short quite a few times only putting teeth into the anti-gun laws not the permissive ones.  Why can I be charged for carrying past a sign but no one is held accountable for searching me at Nissan Stadium or the Ascend Amphitheater and probably many other such Parks in TN?

[300winmag]

None of these bills change anything for the average handgun carry permit person as far as reducing restrictions on us that we can get arrested/cited over, such as the no gun sign law.

 

All the college and school carry bills apply to such narrow circumstances that not many people with permits will benefit from it, if any.  What K-12 school is going to come out with a policy knowingly letting their employees carry?  How many college employees will carry?  Why not just a clean bill giving an exception for all people with handgun carry permits like other states do?

 

The school and the sign penalty problems could be fixed with a couple cleanly worded bills, but instead time is wasted on bills that will not help the problem.  I guess someone will get their NRA pat on the back during the election year because they looked like they did something when in fact did nothing.   

[ironsniper1]

Bill 2376 sounds cool though it's to bad I work at the Vandy medical center side instead university side


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