Editing God from history

[jgrauman]

If you are interested in how God is being deleted from our nation this is a good read I just came across.

edited to add another link

there are many more articles here as well.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52978

[Guest DEIMOS]

In my opinion, this is the single greatest problem with the world.

[Guest Phantom6]

That is outrageous!

[Guest Fuel]

At least one of these claims is not exactly true. I'd seen it before regarding the Pearl Harbor inscription:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/memorial.asp

[jgrauman]

At least one of these claims is not exactly true. I'd seen it before regarding the Pearl Harbor inscription:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/memorial.asp

nice research, thought i did enough before i posted, my bad for spreading ignorance!

[bteague2]

It's not the greatest problem but it's right up there. Since they are changing all the founding documents our fore fathers set out anyway... freedom of religion really meant freedom from it. silly typos.

[Guest CrazyLincoln]

http://www.sunjournal.com/story/208385-3/LewistonAuburn/Hate_incident_in_city/

Score 2 for the terrorists!

1. Get rid of our God

2.Bow down to their beliefs

OK, lets look at this:

First off, I'm a Jew. I find pork unclean. I GO TO BARBECUES (originally from Memphis). Dust could be considered unclean, but I saw it on the lunchroom floor at school.

I've been called anti-semitic slurs in front of teachers, and no action was taken, yet a PIECE OF HAM is considered a "hate incident"!?!?!

BACK TO THE MAIN TOPIC:

Separation of Church and State means no church or other religious entity can RUN the government. There is nothing wrong with ACKNOWLEDGMENT of a divine being or higher power or certain religious principles and practices. When we fail to have any principles or otherwise to stand on, we are only giving in to what the terrorist want.

Our coins say "In God We Trust", not "Void if not church member". There is a difference in a secular government acknowledging its culture's religious influence and a church-run state.

In short, when we deny our culture, we deny ourselves.

Just my $2x10^-2

[Guest Fuel]

nice research, thought i did enough before i posted, my bad for spreading ignorance!

No problem. Like I said, I'd seen it before. However. God is being edited out of our country. And we are the worse for it.

[Guest GlocKingTN]

Im not sure what to think on this one!

[towerclimber37]

I believe in respect for peoples' beliefs. If this is true, it shows no respect for the somalis'.

It would have been easier on the kids though if they would have taken the ham, and threw it in the trash without comment....I used to get picked on all the time..(wait..used to???) but I don't let it bother me.

you're welcome to impugn my religious beliefs..I'm strong in them..

as a very wise woman once said "I came into this world at the hands of a wise and loving God and I shall go out the same way. I have taken my faith with me into the dark places of the earth and it has sustained me, what YOU think matters nothing at all."

that was a paraphrase, but you get the idea.

[Guest TurboRotary]

God deleted from the nation!?! http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml

God was Added... And as I see it Theocracies seem to be the driving force behind the majority of the problems in the world.

[jgrauman]

And as I see it Theocracies seem to be the driving force behind the majority of the problems in the world.

not sure what you mean here. I suppose the catholic church could be considered a theocracy because of the city state of the vatican, maybe England by definition, maybe Iran, but it's late and off the top of my head i can't come to think of any government where a religious body RULES... or of many where there is a national religion forced upon it's people causing "the majority of the problems in the world." maybe you meant the U.S. was beginning to look like a theocracy, and by introducing the words "in God we trust" in that our government was mirroring a theocracy... again it's late. maybe you were referring to Islam, but really it's practiced throughout the world and it's beliefs not so muched "forced" upon those that practice it by any ruling body. Or maybe you're really not sure of what theocracy means. i suppose if you did you wouldn't have used it as a scapegoat for "the majority of the problems in the world." though it does have some excellent rhetorical value

[Guest TurboRotary]

not sure what you mean here. I suppose the catholic church could be considered a theocracy because of the city state of the vatican, maybe England by definition, maybe Iran, but it's late and off the top of my head i can't come to think of any government where a religious body RULES... or of many where there is a national religion forced upon it's people causing "the majority of the problems in the world." maybe you meant the U.S. was beginning to look like a theocracy, and by introducing the words "in God we trust" in that our government was mirroring a theocracy... again it's late. maybe you were referring to Islam, but really it's practiced throughout the world and it's beliefs not so muched "forced" upon those that practice it by any ruling body. Or maybe you're really not sure of what theocracy means. i suppose if you did you wouldn't have used it as a scapegoat for "the majority of the problems in the world." though it does have some excellent rhetorical value

My point was that America is analogous to a theocracy.. By definition a theocracy is "A form of government in which God or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, the God's or deity's laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical authorities." Its hard to deny the fact that many Americans tend to believe that the United States Constitution and laws are based in many ways on The Ten Commandments.. Including our Commander in Chief. Those other countries who tend to be very theocratic in mindset as well contribute greatly to global "terror". And maybe equating theocracy to the majority of global problems isnt necessarily true but isnt necessarily false in the context both you and I know Im speaking.

[towerclimber37]

My point was that America is analogous to a theocracy.. By definition a theocracy is "A form of government in which God or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, the God's or deity's laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical authorities." Its hard to deny the fact that many Americans tend to believe that the United States Constitution and laws are based in many ways on The Ten Commandments..

Hmmm.

I have a problem believing that.

here's the primary reason for my problem.

theocracies don't have laws that ensure separation of church and state.

also I will say that the constitution wasn't based upon the 10 commandments.

it had a few sources, one of which was the MAGNA CARTA.

I can't remember the other ones....I'm getting old and my carrot doesn't work that well anymore.

I will state that the original presidential oath did NOT include "so help me God" at the end of it.

that was added by a most awesome man...George Washington, simply because HE was a Christian and to him, an oath was something to be taken seriously so when he took the oath of office, he added those words because of his level of commitment both to his God and to his country.

after that, people simply followed in his footsteps.

[RandyC]

I think it's equally troubling that we are allowing history to be rewritten, something you would associate more with re-education camps and right-think.

It's pretty scary stuff when people begin to incrementally rewrite history. I think it's happining today in our educational system. Historical correctness is taking a back seat to political correctness.

History is history. What happened happened and it's all important whether it offends our sensibilities or not. And exactly who are we afraid of offending with truth?

[saintsfanbrian]

Remember kiddies, those who forget their history are destined to repeat it.

A child learns from making mistakes, if you take away their ability to be wrong, they will never be right.

[Guest macho999]

I'd like for history to repeat itself. Maybe we can start with a time period that didn't suck.

[saintsfanbrian]

Macho - as soon as you find a time period that didn't suck, I will show you a time period that hasn't existed. Every generation has problems, there is nothing that we can do about that.

[Marswolf]

I'm not sure why the writer was so agitated by Jefferson being called a Deist, since that's what he was. Ever seen the Jefferson Bible? A copy is here.

I also have a WWII Pledge of Allegiance hanging on the wall of my office. Doesn't have that "under God" part. Wasn't added until 1952.

I think we have more important things to worry about than adding or deleting religious text to our walls, money and documents.

[SkWaShDeM]

I'm not sure why the writer was so agitated by Jefferson being called a Deist, since that's what he was. Ever seen the Jefferson Bible? A copy is here.

I also have a WWII Pledge of Allegiance hanging on the wall of my office. Doesn't have that "under God" part. Wasn't added until 1952.

I think we have more important things to worry about than adding or deleting religious text to our walls, money and documents.

McCarthy era political errors still come wandering back to haunt us. The words "under God" were added to the pledge to find atheist communist spies in our midst because such people obviously wouldn't want to say the words "under God" while swearing allegiance to a republic...

I love the 50's and 60's... Such amusing political screw-ups happened back then. And the politicians that were involved are either dead, senile, or smart enough not to care when people bash them for it.

[Marswolf]

I was wrong about the date, it was 1954 when it was added. Memory is going....

I never heard anything about it being an anti-communist test before. I know Knights of Columbus got the ball rolling, but it took some Scottish Presbyterian minister to get it done.

BTW, there is no comma after "nation." It's "one nation under God", not "one nation [pause] under God."

[Marswolf]

[saintsfanbrian]

McCarthy era political errors still come wandering back to haunt us. The words "under God" were added to the pledge to find atheist communist spies in our midst because such people obviously wouldn't want to say the words "under God" while swearing allegiance to a republic...

I love the 50's and 60's... Such amusing political screw-ups happened back then. And the politicians that were involved are either dead, senile, or smart enough not to care when people bash them for it.

Hey, Kennedy isn't that smart.

[Guest TurboRotary]

I'm not sure why the writer was so agitated by Jefferson being called a Deist, since that's what he was. Ever seen the Jefferson Bible? A copy is here.

I also have a WWII Pledge of Allegiance hanging on the wall of my office. Doesn't have that "under God" part. Wasn't added until 1952.

I think we have more important things to worry about than adding or deleting religious text to our walls, money and documents.

Youre absolutely right.. People really do seem to get preoccupied with things that dont really matter.. I myself am an Atheist but I could care less if the words "In God We Trust" are stamped on a small piece of metal or printed on a piece of paper. There are much more important issues to focus on.

[jgrauman]

the fact of the matter, be it God or any other part of our nations history, is that we are editing history, adding or subtracting. WHY? why is this happening? and why is everyone so in tune with the changes? Hillary's plan sounds rediculous, but the sheep are falling in line. Soon not too many generations away will not have a clue about many of the things that have happened in our country and the world because of what is happening now. We'll be a bunch of old timers sitting around on porch swings tell "crazy" stories of the past to our grandchildren.