2016 TN Legislature

[300winmag]

Have the NRA and other lobbying groups started working with our state legislators on bills to improve our carry rights?

 

 

[Oh Shoot]

Have the NRA and other lobbying groups started working with our state legislators on bills to improve our carry rights?

 

If you were a TFA member you'd be in the loop on state level effort, just sayin...

 

- OS

Edited January 4, 2016 by Oh Shoot

[JayC]

If the TFA would stop trying to violate property and contract rights by making HCP a 'protected class' then I might be a member still ;(

 

If you were a TFA member you'd be in the loop on state level effort, just sayin...

 

- OS

[Worriedman]

It will all depend on what the Speakers are going to allow.

You want to make a difference, start talking to Beth Harwell and Ron Ramsey.

[monkeylizard]

You want to make a difference, start giving copious sums of money to Beth Harwell and Ron Ramsey.

 

FIFY! :up:

[Worriedman]

A very good happening occurred today with the agreement of a prominent House member to Sponsor a much needed piece of legislation. (Senate sponsor was already locked down)

As soon as the GA decides to update their website for the second half of the 109th  General Assembly, those sponsors and the bill will be available for scrutiny.

I have some meetings next week that will give an indication of how easy or hard this may be, but I can promise a strong attempt!

[300winmag]

Are there any plans this legislative session to get rid of the 500 dollar fine for the 'no gun' signs?  We would have it pretty good here with our handgun carry permits if the 'no gun' sign law was modified to remove the fine for people with permits.

Edited January 6, 2016 by 300winmag

[dcloudy777]

I think the next "big push" should be TICS exemption for HCP holders.

[300winmag]

I would like TICS exemption too for the handgun carry permit but I do not think it will happen.  Pro gun bills have a way of being stalled in the finance committee and a TICS exemption would reduce govt revenue.  We need bills that would not get stuck in the finance committee so that they can reach a floor vote.

[dcloudy777]

I would like TICS exemption too for the handgun carry permit but I do not think it will happen.  Pro gun bills have a way of being stalled in the finance committee and a TICS exemption would reduce govt revenue.  We need bills that would not get stuck in the finance committee so that they can reach a floor vote.

 

Okay, then I want someone in the legislature to stand up and go on record telling us that reducing the number of TICS checks would mean a reduction in revenue.

 

TICS is supposed to be a background check, not a revenue generator.  It SHOULD be revenue-neutral, whether the system does a thousand checks or 10 million. If it actually costs less than 10 bucks per check, then the price of the check needs to go down accordingly. 

[300winmag]

I think also for the handgun carry permit to be a substitute for a background check when buying a gun at a dealer, the state would have to run background checks yearly on all the handgun carry permits.  I may be wrong, but I think the background checks are only done when the permits are renewed.

Edited January 6, 2016 by 300winmag

[dcloudy777]

I think also for the handgun carry permit to be a substitute for a background check when buying a gun at a dealer, the state would have to run background checks yearly on all the handgun carry permits.  I may be wrong, but I think the background checks are only done when the permits are renewed.

 

I used to think that too, but it isn't the case.  We would need to go back to 5-year renewals though.  Or just allow HCP holders to voluntarily renew after 5 years if they choose.

 

18 U.S.C. § 922(t)(3)

 

(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to a firearm transfer between a licensee and another person if—

(A)

(i) such other person has presented to the licensee a permit that—

(I)

allows such other person to possess or acquire a firearm; and

(II)

was issued not more than 5 years earlier by the State in which the transfer is to take place; and

(ii)

the law of the State provides that such a permit is to be issued only after an authorized government official has verified that the information available to such official does not indicate that possession of a firearm by such other person would be in violation of law;

Edited January 6, 2016 by dcloudy777

[Oh Shoot]

Okay, then I want someone in the legislature to stand up and go on record telling us that reducing the number of TICS checks would mean a reduction in revenue.

 

 

Committee hearings 4-5 years ago addressing bill on this very subject, the revenue loss was clearly addressed as an issue. One plan was to raise the price of the permit to compensate for lost revenue. Somebody even came up with some kind of estimate of how many guns per year the average HCPer bought, which of course was pretty much a WAG.

 

- OS

[dcloudy777]

If a decrease in the number of checks would really result in a loss of revenue, we should demand an audit of the TICS system.

 

It's not supposed to be turning a &$^%#* profit!!!

[Oh Shoot]

If a decrease in the number of checks would really result in a loss of revenue, we should demand an audit of the TICS system.

 

It's not supposed to be turning a &$^%#* profit!!!

 

TCA says a profit is fine, overage amount is appropriated to other TBI activities.

 

- OS

[GKar]

In order to keep a bill from Sargent's black hole committee, you will have to prevent enterprising young scalawags seeking a sniff of the Speakers hemline from attaching a fiscal note - regardless of whether it is factual, relevant, etc.  Despite her caterwauling to the contrary, that practice is still alive and well on on BH's watch.

[phil1979]

So what are the burning issues you want addressed by the General Assembly in Tennessee?

 

For example, are you pushing for public school carry - K12 through college? If not, why not?

[300winmag]

I'd push for getting rid of the fine for no gun signs and also school property carry.  I think the no gun sign law modification would be easier to get politically than school property carry.

[bersaguy]

Even if they did drop the fines on the No Gun signs I still would not spend a dime in a business wearing one knowing their true feelings they have expressed...............................jmho.

[300winmag]

If the fines were dropped, then if you had to go to some sort of local government building or a hospital to see family, you wouldn't have to worry about a weapons charge.  Many places have these signs that are not just ordinary stores or restaurants and you often have no choice in going to those locations.

[Worriedman]

I would like TICS exemption too for the handgun carry permit but I do not think it will happen.  Pro gun bills have a way of being stalled in the finance committee and a TICS exemption would reduce govt revenue.  We need bills that would not get stuck in the finance committee so that they can reach a floor vote.

As Long as Charles Sargent is the double naught-naught operative for Beth and Bill, they will make up a fiscal note to kill any bill they do not like.  Does not have to be true...

[Worriedman]

If the fines were dropped, then if you had to go to some sort of local government building or a hospital to see family, you wouldn't have to worry about a weapons charge.  Many places have these signs that are not just ordinary stores or restaurants and you often have no choice in going to those locations.

So, you just want to remove the fine, or the criminal charge as well?

[300winmag]

I would remove both the criminal charge and the fine for people with handgun carry permits.  Missouri, for example, only turns the signs into an issue if you fail to leave when asked to leave, and even then it is only a 100 dollar fine.  Missouri's sign law makes the busy body politicians feel like they are doing something but in fact it helps people with permits.  You can even carry on school property legally in Missour until someone notices you carrying and asks you to leave.  That is a lot better than Tennessee.

 

Change the wording to something like this:

 

Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (

17) of subsection 1 of this

section by any individual who holds a concealed carry

permit

issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121

shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premise

Edited January 8, 2016 by 300winmag

[GKar]

I see a few new ones are up. 

[macville]

I would remove both the criminal charge and the fine for people with handgun carry permits.  Missouri, for example, only turns the signs into an issue if you fail to leave when asked to leave, and even then it is only a 100 dollar fine.  Missouri's sign law makes the busy body politicians feel like they are doing something but in fact it helps people with permits.  You can even carry on school property legally in Missour until someone notices you carrying and asks you to leave.  That is a lot better than Tennessee.

 

Change the wording to something like this:

 

Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (

17) of subsection 1 of this

section by any individual who holds a concealed carry

permit

issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121

shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premise

 

 

Or you could just remove the section entirely because trespass law already covers this.