college campus protests

[ironsniper1]

if the higher ups at these places had a spine and would stand up to these so called "Protesters" couldnt they basically have them expelled for disrupting classes and other stuff going on the these schools? 

[Monkeybat]

Inmates running the asylum.  Sounds right for progressives. 

[bersaguy]

I think they should all be shown the film of the riots at Kent University back in 1970 over Vietnam War which was a far more important protest than these idiots are protesting about today. But same thing could still happen to them just the same. Many of these protesters weren't even born in 1970 and probably don't even know about this.

 

http://www.newsweek.com/my-god-theyre-killing-us-our-1970-coverage-kent-state-328108

[peejman]

Good luck fighting the 1st amendment at a school.  Unless the individual professors have policies about class attendance, there's little the university can do about it. 

[btq96r]

The universities can't afford to alienate their students, because the students represent revenue.  Both in tuition, and as an overall number (attending or graduation rates by state) which determines how much aid they get from the state if they are a public school.

[leroy]

All...

I've come to believe that the college campus protest thing is nothin more than a hopeful attempt at manufacturing a crisis that will result in someone gettin hurt or killed and spark a general "people's revolt" ALA the "Anarchist" and "One Big Union" (...IWW...) happenings in the early 1900s... Barkak Obama and his friends have created a climate friendly to this sort of foolishness; and, more than that, they believe in it... Take a look at the manifesto of any socialist organization... It contains rhetoric essentially sayin that "believers need to rise up"...

 

 Havin said all that; i dont believe for a minute that it's gonna happen "en masse"... I firmly believe Obama and other "anti-colonial" jhadists are workin overtime to cause enough general unrest to suspend the Constitution... They, and the Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn's of the world have lived for this "socialist utopia" thing since the sixties, and now, for the first time ever, they have a president that share's their world view... I think in the next 12 months runnin up to the 2016 elections, ya are gonna see things that people in america have never seen before... The school thing is just the vanguard element of "useful priveledged idiots" that are reliving the sixties...  "actin out the sixties"...

 

leroy

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[peejman]

I think it's just a bunch of lazy students using any available excuse not to go to class.  They want to be able to tell people about how they "rebelled against the establishment" when they were in college.  Good for you, now shut up and fix that hamburger I ordered... 

[bersaguy]

I have said this before and I will say it again. Maybe someone should have vetted Obama on his promise to Fundamentally change America and actually got what his idea of change was before electing him. I don't know about some folks but I really don't like his change at all and he is a jerk for taking a great nation and trying to turn it into a third world Middle East Cesspool. He can take his change and stuff it where the sun never shines............jmho 

[Randall53]

What this shows me is the power the Community Organizers / Progressive Liberals have on our college campuses today. 

 

Check out this article on Community Organizing Obama Style:

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/225564/what-did-obama-do-community-organizer-byron-york

[A.J. Holst]

I think it's just a bunch of lazy students using any available excuse not to go to class. They want to be able to tell people about how they "rebelled against the establishment" when they were in college. Good for you, now shut up and fix that hamburger I ordered...

"Certainly sir, with my new living wage, your total comes to $14.64, did you want fries with that?"

1 TRILLION in student loan debt folks...

[bud]

. Edited January 6, 2016 by bud

[Smith]

This is an interesting look at how big of a business universities are. The largest employers in nearly every state, with a few exceptions, are either Walmart or a university. 

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2015/03/19/the-largest-employer-in-each-state-2/2/

[hipower]

Looks like education is big business...so the "occupy" hippies can change their focus now.

[bersaguy]

I have thought about it long and hard for last couple weeks after seeing all these so called students and their bitching and complaining about their wants verses their needs. Their wants are for the most part unjustified and their needs are boot up their spoiled rotten a$$es and it should be the Universities doing to booting. Universities are there for one thing. To educate a student in higher education. Not to be a baby sitter to a bunch of cry babies. If these stunts took place in a high school the students would be expelled. In college the educators are fired. What is wrong with that picture?

 

Now you talk about funding and that Colleges depend on Tuition's to pay wages. If that is true what happens to all the money taken in at one home game at University of Tennessee. I and my wife attended one game back the first year, the first game after the new seating was in place and the place was packed to the hilt. 1 trip to the concession stand was all I could afford without floating a loan at the bank. What would have cost me about $12.00 at any fast food outlet cost me $56.00 there. The only reason I was able to take my wife was because a friend of mine had season tickets and loaned them to me to take her. Everyone at the place must have made 1 or more trips to concessions which by the end of the night had to amount way beyond any amount taken in I could imagine not counting ticket admission costs. Were does that money go? Can anyone tell me. Now base that on how many home games they have on an average year it has to put numbers in the hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars.

 

Off my soap box now...................... :shrug: :shrug:

[crossfire]

New warning sign postings seen on College and University grounds. :wall:

 

Edited November 20, 2015 by crossfire

[mikegideon]

Long, but very well done. Ben Shapiro...

 

http://livestream.com/GFV/Mizzou/videos/104990988

[TrickyNicky]

I missed the boat. I coulda gone to college through loans, then expect others to pay them back? I done plain missed out. Of course, not as bad as my sister, poor chump (chumpette?) actually went and got loans for her education. :rolleyes: and to top it off, she's PAYING it back? WTF?! With interest!?1!! What a sucker :rofl: 

 

I guess just joining the work force, being debt free and well paid was really the beginning of the end for me after all. Screw 10 years experience in a field managing college educated newbs, I missed my free education!

[btq96r]

I have said this before and I will say it again. Maybe someone should have vetted Obama on his promise to Fundamentally change America and actually got what his idea of change was before electing him.

 

How does the President come into this?  College students have been protesting for dumb reasons since at least your generation.  What we're seeing today isn't something new when you break it down.

 

 

If that is true what happens to all the money taken in at one home game at University of Tennessee.

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Were does that money go? Can anyone tell me. Now base that on how many home games they have on an average year it has to put numbers in the hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars.

 

I can tell you. :)

 

You have to look at the scope of things to understand how the revenue vs. expenditures thing goes.  I'm more familiar with MTSU since I go here and work here, but since you talked about UT, we'll stay there.  Thing to remember about UT is it's the entire system, not just Knoxville.  For budgeting purposes, they break out the different schools, but have a total budget number.

 

With athletics, the money is coming in, no doubt...but it's also going out at roughly an equal rate.  The biggest thing they want is for the athletic program to at least pay for itself, and that means the whole athletic department, not just football.  Problem is, the schools have all the different sports programs, and let's face it, only football and basketball are money makers for college athletics.  That means they are subsidizing soccer, track, tennis, golf, and all the other sports the schools operate at a net loss for men and women, because of Title IX.

 

So, this is UT's proposed budget for FY 2016, realistically, we have to look at the data for FY 2014 since that's the only year in the document that has been audited.  Skip to page 33 in the .pdf/ page 30 in the document, and you will see the layout for athletics.  Very easy to see that UT Knoxville is was slightly in the red for FY 2014, but only by what amounts to a rounding error in the overall budget when you remember that for UT, their annual budget is in the $1.2/1.3 Billion with a B, dollar range.  Not out of the norm for large budgets that run in a three year cycle like that. 

 

As to what else is at play here...

 

1)  There is a somewhat funny "color of money" shell game being played for tuition.  The school actually factors in the money coming from the athletes as they would for any other tuition/enrollment under the line item for that early in the budget, but since the athletes are on some form of scholarship (football is allowed 85 players out of 105 roster slots being on full scholarship, to include room, board, and food...not sure about the other sports) that money comes out of the athletic department's budget, and as you can see, the item marked "Student Aid" comes out to  ~15% being gone just so those kids can go to class (when the do...lol) and have a dorm room.  But I find it funny because it's the university paying the university in the end in a circular method.

 

2)  Salaries and Benefits:  I know people will look at that and scream bloody murder about coaches salaries and those are a noticeable chunk of that part.  But that line item is also the paycheck, health insurance, Social Security/Medicare contributions that UT is on the hook for as an employer.  Take that and compare it against all the people that make up the entire athletic department from the equipment staff, to the trainers, to the administrative people who work in the compliance office (paperwork with the NCAA), and all the rest.  A lot of employees you never see on game day contribute to getting it done, and as most people in business know, salaries and benefits are always a large part of the budget.

 

3)  Travel seems high until you realize that is the airfare (chartered flights), hotel rooms, per diem (for employees), and cost to move all the team equipment from point A to point B and back for away games (usually an 18 wheeler truck).  Also, the team "travels" for home games, bringing everybody suiting up on game day to a hotel the afternoon before so they can make sure they eat the proper nutritional meals, get enough sleep, and are ready to play the next day.  So, even home games have a travel budget.

 

So, that's where the money goes...crazy, huh?

[bersaguy]

How does the President come into this?  College students have been protesting for dumb reasons since at least your generation.  What we're seeing today isn't something new when you break it down.

 

 

 

I can tell you. :)

 

You have to look at the scope of things to understand how the revenue vs. expenditures thing goes.  I'm more familiar with MTSU since I go here and work here, but since you talked about UT, we'll stay there.  Thing to remember about UT is it's the entire system, not just Knoxville.  For budgeting purposes, they break out the different schools, but have a total budget number.

 

With athletics, the money is coming in, no doubt...but it's also going out at roughly an equal rate.  The biggest thing they want is for the athletic program to at least pay for itself, and that means the whole athletic department, not just football.  Problem is, the schools have all the different sports programs, and let's face it, only football and basketball are money makers for college athletics.  That means they are subsidizing soccer, track, tennis, golf, and all the other sports the schools operate at a net loss for men and women, because of Title IX.

 

So, this is UT's proposed budget for FY 2016, realistically, we have to look at the data for FY 2014 since that's the only year in the document that has been audited.  Skip to page 33 in the .pdf/ page 30 in the document, and you will see the layout for athletics.  Very easy to see that UT Knoxville is was slightly in the red for FY 2014, but only by what amounts to a rounding error in the overall budget when you remember that for UT, their annual budget is in the $1.2/1.3 Billion with a B, dollar range.  Not out of the norm for large budgets that run in a three year cycle like that. 

 

As to what else is at play here...

 

1)  There is a somewhat funny "color of money" shell game being played for tuition.  The school actually factors in the money coming from the athletes as they would for any other tuition/enrollment under the line item for that early in the budget, but since the athletes are on some form of scholarship (football is allowed 85 players out of 105 roster slots being on full scholarship, to include room, board, and food...not sure about the other sports) that money comes out of the athletic department's budget, and as you can see, the item marked "Student Aid" comes out to  ~15% being gone just so those kids can go to class (when the do...lol) and have a dorm room.  But I find it funny because it's the university paying the university in the end in a circular method.

 

2)  Salaries and Benefits:  I know people will look at that and scream bloody murder about coaches salaries and those are a noticeable chunk of that part.  But that line item is also the paycheck, health insurance, Social Security/Medicare contributions that UT is on the hook for as an employer.  Take that and compare it against all the people that make up the entire athletic department from the equipment staff, to the trainers, to the administrative people who work in the compliance office (paperwork with the NCAA), and all the rest.  A lot of employees you never see on game day contribute to getting it done, and as most people in business know, salaries and benefits are always a large part of the budget.

 

3)  Travel seems high until you realize that is the airfare (chartered flights), hotel rooms, per diem (for employees), and cost to move all the team equipment from point A to point B and back for away games (usually an 18 wheeler truck).  Also, the team "travels" for home games, bringing everybody suiting up on game day to a hotel the afternoon before so they can make sure they eat the proper nutritional meals, get enough sleep, and are ready to play the next day.  So, even home games have a travel budget.

 

So, that's where the money goes...crazy, huh?

Thank you for explaining it all to me. It does sound complexed for sure but I guess it is all on the up & up. I was just in awe over the cost of things at the concession area which of course was run by students that were volunteers I'm sure since they were all college age and wearing Tennessee type clothing.......... :squint:

[Monkeybat]

Another question...

 

What the heck are the students parents doing about this?

 

I would yank my kid out of school, get out the belt and make them understand right and wrong real quick.

 

Then I would cut that college tuition off until they figured out what it means to grow up and be a responsible member of society instead of a leech.  

[xsubsailor]

I'm just about convinced that we need to close all the colleges.  At least, when someone says they're offended, send them back to Mommy.

 

College Students Say Remembering 9/11 is Offensive to Muslims

 

 

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/22/college-students-say-remembering-9-11-is-offensive-to-muslims.html