Multiple Dead in Oregon College Shooting

[Sam1]

And he has yet to say a peep about the soldiers that just died in the c130 crash.

I think he is going to go full throttle on this one, knowing he missed out on Sandy Hook, getting towards the end of his term too. More info needs to be leaked to fight off the barrage that is about to come towards us. I think they're going to try and act quickly before the full story gets out. Edited October 3, 2015 by Sam1

[Oh Shoot]

That's what I was wondering, the ATF would need a starting point.

 

It's a relatively trivial matter to trace from manufacturer/distributor, as they keep good records (or else). And then they know the FFL and also know the time frame, so that it's not a total blunt force search at the FFL. Plus many use software now, which can pull searches up instantly.

 

Even if a FFL has gone out of biz, the National Tracing Center has both his 4473s and bound book.  About the only real dead end they may run into is an FFL who had a fire (accidental or on purpose), or has actually taken the time to destroy 4473s after the 20 years, but since it actually takes some work to do that, I'd imagine most don't. Plus the bound book must be kept indefinitely.

 

- OS

Edited October 3, 2015 by Oh Shoot

[K191145]

No question some of the biggest bald faced liars are in the gooberment but the thing is none of them are that good at it.... There is no way that they could orchestrate such an elaborate ruse without screwing up somewhere, something or someone talking....

 

 What I personally believe they, government feds/media are doing in these mass murder incidents is, [b]omitting[/b] and somewhat altering some of the facts, and indirectly threatening some people not to disclose certain facts, (you have a good career ahead of you so there's no reason to mention this and that). Facts that can be used to shed some truths that might weaken their argument and agenda for gun control.

As far as the government killing someone, if an individual who is not well know by the media knows or has proof of something very damaging to an important person, (elitist politician, billionaire CEO etc.), I have no doubt someone in a federal agency is immorally capable of murder. I'm sure there's a few well paid covert sociopaths that can make a problem disappear. 

Now on such a grand scale as a mass murder I agree, too many people involved for that to work. Are there some in the government cruel enough to murder innocent people? Absolutely. 

[K191145]

And he has yet to say a peep about the soldiers that just died in the c130 crash.

I think he is going to go full throttle on this one, knowing he missed out on Sandy Hook, getting towards the end of his term too. More info needs to be leaked to fight off the barrage that is about to come towards us. I think they're going to try and act quickly before the full story gets out.

 

He has disdain for the military and military personnel being the radical socialist activist he was before he got into politics. He still is a radical socialist activist, he just tries to hide it. Still waiting for him to say something about the recent assassinations/murders of LEO's across the country but not holding my breath.

[Links2k]

The tinfoilhattery around here has reached epic proportions.
Stop it.

Yep

[teecro]

The tinfoilhattery around here has reached epic proportions.

Stop it.

 

No it has esculated....

[bersaguy]

There is no doubt what so ever that the Feds will have someone killed when they find it in their best interest. If you look back on Seal Team 6 and the Bin laden take down. Shortly after it was over many or most of Seal team 6 were killed in freak accidents or killed heading to another assignment that was suppose to be Top Secret. Just bad luck for them????? I don't think so but that is my opinion.

 

With that said, Look up the history of Colonel Walter E. Kurtz. I know many of you are going to say, Oh that was just a movie (Apocalypse Now) and yes it was movie but it was also based on true facts that the Federal Government will never admit to. I have tried several times to open up the 

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

About his history and I get the same message every time.  (Secure Connection Failed) Maybe someone would have better luck than I do on getting it open. If anyone saw the movie you know that they had to pull a lunatic out of a military base mental hospital in Texas to get the job done. The first assassin sent ended up joining Kurtz so they had to get a second. If you have not seen the movie it is worth the watch..............jmho

[DaveTN]

There is no doubt what so ever that the Feds will have someone killed when they find it in their best interest. If you look back on Seal Team 6 and the Bin laden take down. Shortly after it was over many or most of Seal team 6 were killed in freak accidents or killed heading to another assignment that was suppose to be Top Secret. Just bad luck for them????? I don't think so but that is my opinion.

So you think Michael Savage knows who these guys are? Or knows about their “Top Secret” missions? Why do think the government would kill them?
 

With that said, Look up the history of Colonel Walter E. Kurtz. I know many of you are going to say, Oh that was just a movie (Apocalypse Now) and yes it was movie but it was also based on true facts that the Federal Government will never admit to. I have tried several times to open up the
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAAahUKEwjfu63M6abIAhXJ54AKHf_sC7Q&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FColonel_Kurtz&usg=AFQjCNFAoVWl-P57kOblf4hLP69dpIRTig&sig2=5P1W_uCz7vMxX-rshV4OYA&bvm=bv.104317490,d.eXY]Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
About his history and I get the same message every time. (Secure Connection Failed) Maybe someone would have better luck than I do on getting it open. If anyone saw the movie you know that they had to pull a lunatic out of a military base mental hospital in Texas to get the job done. The first assassin sent ended up joining Kurtz so they had to get a second. If you have not seen the movie it is worth the watch..............jmho

Try this..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Kurtz

[Dolomite_supafly]

LOL, I have been saying OBL was dead long before BHO stood at the podium and announced we got him. Like I have said before more than one person at more than one location and at more than one time told me it was believed OBL died of typhoid in 2005-2006 in the Tora Bora region. If that is true I am not sure why there would be a need to kill a bunch of SEALs to cover it up if OBL was not killed by them. If our administration wanted to they could have just said a team of SEALs killed OBL and left it at that.

 

BTW, where are you getting the information that all the SEALs on the OBL raid were killed?

 

I do not believe our government would kill a bunch of SEALs to cover the OBL raid up. I do not believe that OBL was killed in a raid or even by gunfire and when BHO announced it, and we did not have a body, my stomach turned. The reason is if the reports that he died of typhoid in 2005-2006 were wrong OBL could still be alive. And imagine the support OBL would get after BHO told the world we got him then OBL showed up at Mecca and proclaimed he has risen after being killed by the great infidel. I can guarantee if that did or does happen all the Muslim in the world will unite under him.

 

What I find troubling about the whole OBL thing is there is not a single piece of evidence to come out proving OBL was killed or is dead. Something else, there was a question as to the identity of the person that was killed. The reports were they did not have a tape measure to identify him. Seems to me that he would be easily identified by anyone who is on the raid but they needed a tape measure to identify the body.

 

No one will ever convince me that not a single person took at least one photo of him between the time we got him and lost him. And that brings up another question, why the hell would we bury at sea the most wanted man in the country and likely the world? We are not the only country looking for him so when we said we dropped him in the sea I am sure a lot of allies were at least thinking WTF did we do that for.

[Sam1]

Any updates on the shooter?

[Erik88]

Any updates on the shooter?

 

Well, he's a dead POS. That's about all I care to know.

[Randall53]

LOL, I have been saying OBL was dead long before BHO stood at the podium and announced we got him. Like I have said before more than one person at more than one location and at more than one time told me it was believed OBL died of typhoid in 2005-2006 in the Tora Bora region. If that is true I am not sure why there would be a need to kill a bunch of SEALs to cover it up if OBL was not killed by them. If our administration wanted to they could have just said a team of SEALs killed OBL and left it at that.

 

BTW, where are you getting the information that all the SEALs on the OBL raid were killed?

 

I do not believe our government would kill a bunch of SEALs to cover the OBL raid up. I do not believe that OBL was killed in a raid or even by gunfire and when BHO announced it, and we did not have a body, my stomach turned. The reason is if the reports that he died of typhoid in 2005-2006 were wrong OBL could still be alive. And imagine the support OBL would get after BHO told the world we got him then OBL showed up at Mecca and proclaimed he has risen after being killed by the great infidel. I can guarantee if that did or does happen all the Muslim in the world will unite under him.

 

What I find troubling about the whole OBL thing is there is not a single piece of evidence to come out proving OBL was killed or is dead. Something else, there was a question as to the identity of the person that was killed. The reports were they did not have a tape measure to identify him. Seems to me that he would be easily identified by anyone who is on the raid but they needed a tape measure to identify the body.

 

No one will ever convince me that not a single person took at least one photo of him between the time we got him and lost him. And that brings up another question, why the hell would we bury at sea the most wanted man in the country and likely the world? We are not the only country looking for him so when we said we dropped him in the sea I am sure a lot of allies were at least thinking WTF did we do that for.

 

Obama got votes out of that too, whether the whole thing is bogus or not. I know I've heard a few idiots say that's why they voted for him in 2012. Who knows. It might have been a campaign ploy!! 

[No_0ne]

There is no doubt what so ever that the Feds will have someone killed when they find it in their best interest. If you look back on Seal Team 6 and the Bin laden take down. Shortly after it was over many or most of Seal team 6 were killed in freak accidents or killed heading to another assignment that was suppose to be Top Secret. Just bad luck for them????? I don't think so but that is my opinion.

 

With that said, Look up the history of Colonel Walter E. Kurtz. I know many of you are going to say, Oh that was just a movie (Apocalypse Now) and yes it was movie but it was also based on true facts that the Federal Government will never admit to. I have tried several times to open up the 

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

About his history and I get the same message every time.  (Secure Connection Failed) Maybe someone would have better luck than I do on getting it open. If anyone saw the movie you know that they had to pull a lunatic out of a military base mental hospital in Texas to get the job done. The first assassin sent ended up joining Kurtz so they had to get a second. If you have not seen the movie it is worth the watch..............jmho

 

Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Kurtz

and: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Poshepny

[Erik88]

What I continue to find amazing is the hypocrisy in this country. 7-8 kids college kids are killed in this shooting and the left freaks out.

 

Yet millions are aborted each year and the left defends planned parenthood. I really don't have that strong of opinion about abortion but I find this particularly frustrating.

[Hershmeister]

What I continue to find amazing is the hypocrisy in this country. 7-8 kids college kids are killed in this shooting and the left freaks out.

Yet millions are aborted each year and the left defends planned parenthood. I really don't have that strong of opinion about abortion but I find this particularly frustrating.

It's projection - they can't wrap their brains around the idea that they might suffer random harm. Its this silly illusion of safety that the average liberal subjects themselves to and why they insist that the gubmint "do something• so they can feel all warm and safe.

An abortion is a "choice" remember-so its a planned killing vs a random one.

[Sam1]

What I continue to find amazing is the hypocrisy in this country. 7-8 kids college kids are killed in this shooting and the left freaks out.

 

Yet millions are aborted each year and the left defends planned parenthood. I really don't have that strong of opinion about abortion but I find this particularly frustrating.

 

Never figured it out myself, maybe if an AR15 was required to abort babies, the left would mandate one in every household.

 

The hypocrisy is beyond full-retard.

[R_Bert]

Erik88, on 04 Oct 2015 - 09:06 AM, said:

What I continue to find amazing is the hypocrisy in this country. 7-8 kids college kids are killed in this shooting and the left freaks out.

 

Yet millions are aborted each year and the left defends planned parenthood. I really don't have that strong of opinion about abortion but I find this particularly frustrating.

and they don't get this - buying a gun does not cause instant death. Buying an abortion does.  

[Someotherguy]

Something to also note on this issue..It was a subtle change in the language Obama and the media are using now..Its no longer "gun control", its now "gun safety"...This is usually a sign that a big push on the issue is coming, just like they did with " global warming", now "climate change"...

Take note folks, I believe we got something big coming up...

[Trekbike]

What I continue to find amazing is the hypocrisy in this country. 7-8 kids college kids are killed in this shooting and the left freaks out.

Yet millions are aborted each year and the left defends planned parenthood. I really don't have that strong of opinion about abortion but I find this particularly frustrating.

Some people justify abortion in their minds because they are told by pro-abortion folks the fetus is not really a life until it's viable outside the womb. They go on about their daily business since abortion was deemed legal by the courts.

Taking something that anyone agrees is a problem but is disinterested in solving is drunk driving. Over 10,000 each year are killed by alcohol related accidents but were's the proportional outrage?

It's crystal clear this is not about solving gun violence, it's all about disarming the general public.

[DaveS]

I can, without a doubt, say I would NEVER admit to be part of any group a killer is looking for. Honor and faith is good and all but I would rather keep my mouth shut and survive than proudly proclaim something that gets me killed. No way I would ever martyr myself if I had another choice.

If I'm shot and killed, it's because I said nothing.

 

Have a Blessed Day

 

Dave

[K191145]

Some people justify abortion in their minds because they are told by pro-abortion folks the fetus is not really a life until it's viable outside the womb. They go on about their daily business since abortion was deemed legal by the courts.

Taking something that anyone agrees is a problem but is disinterested in solving is drunk driving. Over 10,000 each year are killed by alcohol related accidents but were's the proportional outrage?

It's crystal clear this is not about solving gun violence, it's all about disarming the general public.

 

Randy Rayburn's bar is far more dangerous than my gun.

[Ted S.]

It's projection - they can't wrap their brains around the idea that they might suffer random harm. It's this silly illusion of safety that the average liberal subjects themselves to and why they insist that the gubmint "do something• so they can feel all warm and safe.

An abortion is a "choice" remember-so its a planned killing vs a random one.

 

Someone gets it, but liberals aren't the only "group" to subject themselves to that fantasy.

[Ron_TN]

Does anyone here know the question the shooter asked them before shooting....?  Obama never mentioned one word about that.....and he didn't sing Amazing Grace

[CommsNBombs]

Does anyone here know the question the shooter asked them before shooting....? Obama never mentioned one word about that.....and he didn't sing Amazing Grace

The reports have all been saying he asked who was a Christian.

He followed up that said that everyone who believes in God are about to see Him in a few seconds.

The "new" news is that he also gave a few page manifesto to a "lucky one" in the class...it will be the same crap.

He Hates God, he likes killing people, he admires the NRA, he is a felcher...whatever

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/04/witnesses-say-oregon-gunman-handed-something-to-student-to-give-to-authorities/

[bersaguy]

I can, without a doubt, say I would NEVER admit to be part of any group a killer is looking for. Honor and faith is good and all but I would rather keep my mouth shut and survive than proudly proclaim something that gets me killed. No way I would ever martyr myself if I had another choice.

I am not sure but it seems to me that there is somewhere in the Bible it states that you cannot be forgiven if you commit suicide. If you stand up and knowing the shooter is killing just Christians and you admit to being one is that not the same as committing suicide? I really don't know so would like to hear a few thoughts on that. I am a Christian, just not a Bible thumping in Church every time the doors are open kind but believe in God and try to live right and did go to Church as a child most of my younger life. Like Dolo said about being a Martyr here and standing up willing to be killed. That would be like receiving your reward here on Earth as a Martyr for your beliefs. :confused:..... Kind of confusing is it not?...............jmho