New idpa scoring

[DMark]

If they really, Really wanted to add value to accuracy, I wish they would also award multi hits in the zero down zones.

 

In other words, say each target on a stage requires at least two hits.  If you hit the target with three shots in either of the zero down zones, the extra zero down hit would subtract one second from your overall score for that stage. 

 

Would it make that big of a difference in a match, maybe - - - maybe not.

 

However, I think it would reflect the current methods of instruction among the Military/LEO/and armed professional trainers to keep shooting until the treat goes away.

 

AND agree with you Jcoop on adding 10 seconds for a hit on a NT.  5 for the bad shot and 5 for the lawyer that will be coming after you! 

 

OH...., AND ONE FINALLY THING!

 

Fix one of the most common areas of confusion to new shooters about scoring.  Have the newer cardboard targets marked zero (-0), Plus one (+1), and Plus three (+3) since we're adding time.  I have never understood why it was called "down" when we where doing a "plus-up" to the time.   

Edited September 29, 2015 by DMark

[dlmeadows]

I bet one of the founding fathers got beat at the world shoot by someone who was faster and less accurate. Who wants to put a 20 on it?

[Cruel Hand Luke]

I don't think any of the founding fathers even shot the world match......

[dlmeadows]

I don't think any of the founding fathers even shot the world match......

Would you take founding fathers brothers cousin?

[Cruel Hand Luke]

I think you owe me $20.....

[dcloudy777]

Just one step closer down the road to Bullseye shooting with goofy vests.  :yuck:

 

Are they going to negate everyone's classifications now?  Or recalculate them?

[Cruel Hand Luke]

From what I understand they will calculate a new set of times for classifications going forward....just like they did late last year when they realigned the SSP times to put them more in line with ESP but the previously held classifications still stood.. Whatever you were classified as previously still counts. So like the people who shot a 93 second classifier back when SSP Master  was 98 seconds would still be Master even when the time was lowered to 91 and a 93 would presently make them an Expert. 

[itchytriggerfinger]

I ran some numbers on the World results last night and it didn't make a lot of difference for Expert and Master shooters.  Fast match scores are not indicative of high number of points down.  True Master level shooters aren't gaming, they are just that good.  If I hear "this will stop the gamers" again, I'm going to slap someone.  Haters need to man up and practice if they want to run with the big dogs.

 

Picking on the World Shoot CDP Masters, and Jcoop (you're my idol), I recalculated the Match scores and Jcoop would have moved up one position.  All other ranks remained the same in that division/class.  The average PD for CDP-MA was 60 PD.  Even with the PD change, the CDP Masters would not have touched DM Glenn Shelby. 

[Cruel Hand Luke]

You know...frankly, since this appears to now be a "what I don't like about IDPA " I'll chime in........

 

I'm for the scoring change. Of course when I started shooting "practical pistol matches" our local club used IPSC target but scored 'em A zone 10 pts C zone 4 and D zone 2 instead of 5,4,2 so it put a big premium on shooting out the center of the target...as fast as you can.  

 

I'd like to see hits on non threats count a lot more. A hit on a non threat in this litigious society would be disastrous to you....should be in the game too. 

 

I'd like to  go back to the early days when you couldn't wear gun company logo clothing (that'll piss off some sponsors) or camo because you were supposed to be dressing to conceal the fact that you were armed.....now the ONLY place in the world where people dress like they do at an IDPA match is.......at an IDPA match.

 

I'd like to see an increase in the power factor to typical duty ammo levels because when they tell me at the equipment check at the Nationals that my generic ball ammo loads are "hot" that tells me that something is wrong with our power factors.....When a typical .45 230 gr ball load has a 195 pf yet a mere 165 is legal I have to ask WHY? ...what purpose does it serve for us to shoot "-P" ammo other than to give a skewed view of your performance with REAL duty ammo and make the match times faster? 

 

I'd like to see more CONSISTENT calls on cover. IPSC has foot faults...which makes it simple to call and to know what they are allowing and what they are not.  The IDPA World match had 2 stages that had markers painted on the ground which made it easier for the SO to consistently call cover from a distance....and easier for the shooter to know whether they were actually "behind cover"....at least according to how the SO was seeing and calling it on those stages. They had another standards stage that required no cover, but it required you to shoot from within a "rectangular box border " on the ground where you had free run of the box but you had to stay inside it as you engaged targets. That too was EASY to call whether you were in it or not. The way it is now you just can't be competitive using cover the way we REALLY teach people to use cover so they don't catch a bullet on the two way range. So you can either stick your arms out there and half your upper body (which half of YOUR torso is the less important half?) and shoot fast and probably get smoked with a bullet in the real world or you expose an eyeball and a gun muzzle and get smoked on time in the match.... So you cannot expose a toe without being out of cover,  yet you can expose your whole head, both arms and half your torso and still be "in cover" .....REALLY?

 

I'd like to see holster rules changed to allow AIWB or anything else in front of the hip bones as long as it is concealed. So if you roll with AIWB and closed front concealment garment in real life you could shoot it in the game. But as it stands now if you want to compete in a world recognized action shooting sport carrying AIWB under your closed front concealment garment the way you do in everyday life  then IPSC (USPSA) is your only choice. 

 

And I'd like to see grip stippling allowed on Glocks in SSP. How is it that Prag (who posts here) was forced  to compete with his glock 19 against  9mm 1911s in ESP because his otherwise stock gun had some grip stippling? And now  CCP is an option for him but he is still competing with ESP modified guns because CCP is essentially just "ESP short". Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory when IDPA finalized the CCP rules allowing ESP mods..... And you can roll with an M&P with stippling because the grip panels are removeable but not on a glock because they are not? How is it not a competitive advantage if the panels can be removed but is if they can not? 

 

And one last thing....it gets a little tiring when match after match people look at you funny if you use your actual concealed carry IWB holster ... "Here's a REAL concealed carry guy" is not something that the SOs should be saying (that was the comment I got at the Nationals during the "concealment check") ....should we take that to mean that most of  the other competitors are not REAL concealed carry guys and gals? If they are not then what does that say about the game? Wasn't the game ostensibly started to allow a competetion venue for "real " concealed carry skills and methods? And if the other competitors are not "real " concealed carry guys or gals  then what makes one come to that conclusion? Because to be competitive you are going to wear a vest (and probably one made specifically for the sport not for daily wear) and an OWB holster...... not an IWB holster and for damn sure not a closed front cover garment...it just boggles the mind. 

 

They are always talking about "growing the sport" which is really code for "bringing in more money and attracting more sponsors".....that is fine as long as they are not compromising the integrity of the game. It seems they lurch back and forth between the "founding principles" and "lets make it more like USPSA" to get more sponsors.....they need to pick a direction and stick with it and drive in one lane...not all over the road......

Edited October 1, 2015 by Cruel Hand Luke

[Jcoop]

Itchy your too kind.

Luke you crack me up, it is what it is. I just wish they would leave it alone for longer than 6 months. The sport is a whack job and a laughing stock right now and I believe it is to be blamed on the management. Do this, don't do this........ this weekend! Well we're thinking of changing this, that and the other cause we're not sure about it so let's try it. STOP!!!! As I've said before IDPA is a lot like Tennessee weather, if you don't like it, hang out it will change. As far as the scored hits increase, WHY! New shooters are new shooters, seasoned are seasoned so I don't think it's going to effect the overall because it's the same just not cut in half. I think it's time for everybody to put there big boy pants on and put the work in to get better and stop blaming everyone else for there poor shooting skills. Get off your a$$ and go get better. Or not it's up to them.

[dlmeadows]

What if they are just destined to suck like I am?