W231 & HP38

[patotn]

I have heard recently that W231 and HP38 are being phased out.  Anyone else hearing this or know for sure that it is or isn't accurate info?

[Omega]

I have heard recently that W231 and HP38 are being phased out.  Anyone else hearing this or know for sure that it is or isn't accurate info?

Many sources say no, but who knows, until it gets announced officially I will keep buying it.

 

https://www.precisionreloading.com/cart.php#!l=PDW&i=2318

[Jamie Jackson]

I have heard recently that W231 and HP38 are being phased out.  Anyone else hearing this or know for sure that it is or isn't accurate info?

 

 

There is a thread about this on TGO I believe...It looks to be an internet rumor. :cool:

 

I e-mailed Hodgdon and here was the reply:

 

"I have heard nothing that would make me believe we are on the verge of losing W231/HP-38, but I do think that availability will continue to be an issue. I can assure you W231/ HP-38 will continue to be in the Hodgdon / Winchester product lines.

 Dave Campbell

Customer Service Representative

Hodgdon Powder Company"

 

I've seen each online over the past few weeks...but they still sell out fast...but at least they are intermittently available for the first times in months.

[DWARREN123]

I do believe some of the older harder to make powders will eventually go away to make way for newer easier to make powders.

Just my opinion!

[Jamie Jackson]

I do believe some of the older harder to make powders will eventually go away to make way for newer easier to make powders.

Just my opinion!

 

This could well be so. I'm certain there are many other folks, besides myself, that have moved outside of their traditional powder choices and discovered new "favorite recipes" during this protracted shortage. I used Alliant Unique and W-231 for my handgun loads for a long time, but I have no complaints with the expanded options I now have.

[jaysouth]

Just  a headsup:

 

Ramshot ZIp is the same powder.

 

My dealer gets dozens of calls per day about 231 or HP 38.  Nada, but he has ZIP sitting on the shelf gathering dust.

[musicman]

The SAME or similar? That's news to me.

[LawVol]

David had a bunch of 231 at the gun show last weekend.  

[patotn]

Thanks for all the info. I have a hunch I was being fed a line to get me to buy more than the 2 lbs I had in my hand.   I bought an 8lb jug at David's booth over the weekend, so I'm good for a while.  After finding a few good loads for the 9mm and 45acp with W231 I hate to start searching for new loads with other powders since I'm still working on a few other calibers using Unique, Titegroup, Power Pistol and the Surplus powder I got from David at the last Knoxville gunshow.

[Jamie Jackson]

The SAME or similar? That's news to me.

 

Same here. News to me as well.

 

Just  a headsup:

 

Ramshot ZIp is the same powder.

 

My dealer gets dozens of calls per day about 231 or HP 38.  Nada, but he has ZIP sitting on the shelf gathering dust.

 

I looked at their load data page and it does list the same range for 45 acp.

Have you ever used it for 9mm or .38 spl?

 

fwiw the various burn rate charts seem to list it close to W-231, HP-38, and AA32.

Edited September 16, 2015 by prag

[Wardor]

Ramshot ZIP is 231/HP38 with extra flash suppressant added.  

[vanilla gorilla]

I have a few pounds of HP 38 that I will sell, if somebody needs some in Chattanooga/Cleveland area.

[DWARREN123]

The surplus powder that David has is really good for 45 ACP. I have used about 7 or 8 pounds of it and like it better than anything else I have found.