Anti gun groups!!!

[RED333]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/01/gun-control-groups-accused-swatting-open-carry-permit-holders-putting-lives-at/?intcmp=hpbt2

Second Amendment groups are accusing the gun control lobby of putting law-abiding owners of firearms in danger by urging people to call the police on anyone carrying a gun in public.

As more states relax rules about open-carrying of guns, the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence has taken to social media to urge the public to assume gun-toters are trouble, and to call the cops on anyone they feel may be a threat.

 

 

Makes so mad I could just slap the **** out of the anti gun whiners!!!

[DaveTN]

Calling it “swatting” is as stupid as the anti’s calling on everyone they see.

People are going to open carry guns, people are going to call the cops on them, the cops are going to respond; that will not change for most areas. Unless the callers embellish or make stuff up it should be nothing more than any other call of suspicious activity. The responding cops will know the person is armed, the person should know that the cops know they are armed; and if all act accordingly it should be a drama free event.

If they say the person pulled the gun or threatened someone, when they didn’t, is crosses the line to a criminal act. Edited September 1, 2015 by DaveTN

[RED333]

Calling it “swatting” is as stupid as the anti’s calling on everyone they see.

People are going to open carry guns, people are going to call the cops on them, the cops are going to respond; that will not change for most areas. Unless the callers embellish or make stuff up it should be nothing more than any other call of suspicious activity. The responding cops will know the person is armed, the person should know that the cops know they are armed; and if all act accordingly it should be a drama free event.

If they say the person pulled the gun or threatened someone, when they didn’t, is crosses the line to a criminal act.

This is the part that worries me. As the person that has the firearm you will be held till things are straightened out

and likely not have your firearm giving back till you go to court with a lawyer, and money having to be paid.

On top of missing work, it all just make me mad.

No I do not carry open, but you just never know what can be seen.

[DaveTN]

This is the part that worries me. As the person that has the firearm you will be held till things are straightened out
and likely not have your firearm giving back till you go to court with a lawyer, and money having to be paid.
On top of missing work, it all just make me mad.
No I do not carry open, but you just never know what can be seen.

Exactly. What keeps a person that is willing to lie say you pointed a gun at them and threatened them? The same thing that keeps them from accusing you of any other crime.... Nothing.

You could be walking into the local convenience store or pizza parlor during an armed robbery and get shot because one of the bad guys saw your gun before you saw them.

These are the risks you assume to carry a gun.

[10-Ring]

 

“Gun-toters who are truly law-abiding and mentally competent have nothing whatsoever to worry about. Their conversations with law enforcement will be brief and professional,”

 

I don't feel that I should have to stop and explain myself when I've done nothing but exercise my Constitutional right, but then again maybe that's why I conceal when in public.  Maybe an LEO or someone with more legal knowledge than myself can answer this for sure, but can one not be prosecuted for making frivolous 911 calls?  I think that approach would be a stretch but law enforcement is going to get tired of answering these calls really quick.

[runco]

Chicken Little............... :panic:

 

Won't police become numb to these 911 calls?

[DaveTN]

I don't feel that I should have to stop and explain myself when I've done nothing but exercise my Constitutional right, but then again maybe that's why I conceal when in public.  Maybe an LEO or someone with more legal knowledge than myself can answer this for sure, but can one not be prosecuted for making frivolous 911 calls?  I think that approach would be a stretch but law enforcement is going to get tired of answering these calls really quick.

Not if they are telling the truth. The problem is that carrying a gun in this state is a crime. The other issue is that when cops are called; they go.

I doubt they get many calls of a man with a gun that don’t involve a threat of some kind and a complainant. If there is no complainant I assume it’s up to the Officer if he stops you and checks you out or not.

The only way to curb this is to have carrying a gun be a right. But I’m sure it would still happen some as some people call the cops if they see someone walking in their neighborhood they don’t recognize.

[WindHawk]

I can hear it now " But officer, I didn't make a false call...  I was really scared that mean man's big, bad ugly GUN would jump out and start shooting everything in sight."    :shake:

[mikegideon]

Makes you wanna take one of them out in public, super glue a loaded Hi-point into their right hand, and drop a snake in their pants. 

[TNWNGR]

Makes you wanna take one of them out in public, super glue a loaded Hi-point into their right hand, and drop a snake in their pants. 

 

Now that's wickedly devious...and original...but best left as one of those what if things

Edited September 2, 2015 by TNWNGR

[K191145]

I always carry concealed/semi-concealed but if everybody, the 1/2 million permit holders in Tennessee alone agreed, start carrying openly. 1 million in Florida, 1/2 million or more in Texas and so on and so on. EVERYBODY open carry.

[BigK]

I've always wondered what rules pertain to 911 operator's answering these MWAG calls. Are questions allowed?

Q1. Is the man with a gun threatening anyone or breaking any laws?

     A1. If not, tell the idiot on the phone to pound sand.

     A2. If so, we'll send someone right out.

Q2. Is the gun in a holster?

     A1. If so, chances are it's legal...see answer 1 to question 1.

     A2. If not, sounds fishy, we'll send someone right out.

[mikegideon]

Now that's wickedly devious...and original...but best left as one of those what if things

 

Well... you probably wanna leave quickly after you do it, tempting as it would be to hang around and watch. :)

[K191145]

I've always wondered what rules pertain to 911 operator's answering these MWAG calls. Are questions allowed?

Q1. Is the man with a gun threatening anyone or breaking any laws?

     A1. If not, tell the idiot on the phone to pound sand.

     A2. If so, we'll send someone right out.

Q2. Is the gun in a holster?

     A1. If so, chances are it's legal...see answer 1 to question 1.

     A2. If not, sounds fishy, we'll send someone right out.

 

How many criminals with bad intentions carry their gun in a holster on their hip?

[mikegideon]

I always carry concealed/semi-concealed but if everybody, the 1/2 million permit holders in Tennessee alone agreed, start carrying openly. 1 million in Florida, 1/2 million or more in Texas and so on and so on. EVERYBODY open carry.

 

I'm just about ready to start flaunting. If they are going to make us fight so hard to keep our rights, I might as well dick slap them with a stainless, cocked and locked 1911.

[Garufa]

I'm just about ready to start flaunting. If they are going to make us fight so hard to keep our rights, I might as well dick slap them with a stainless, cocked and locked 1911.

 

There is something to be said for enjoying it while you can.

[EssOne]

I don't feel that I should have to stop and explain myself when I've done nothing but exercise my Constitutional right, but then again maybe that's why I conceal when in public.  Maybe an LEO or someone with more legal knowledge than myself can answer this for sure, but can one not be prosecuted for making frivolous 911 calls?  I think that approach would be a stretch but law enforcement is going to get tired of answering these calls really quick.

 

 

I don't OC and won't OC for all kinds of reasons, and this sort of thing is one of them. You can't prosecute most false 911 calls because nobody can ID the caller, and the evidence gathering process would tie down investigators for an inordinate amount of time.  Even at this late date you still can't prosecute a telephone.....you have to establish the case by investigation and that drains away a lot of resources.

Edited September 2, 2015 by EssOne

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[mikegideon]

There is something to be said for enjoying it while you can.

 

They're not going to win. They are just gonna be like gnats.

[K191145]

They're not going to win. They are just gonna be like gnats.

 

No, they are not going to win, if they were they would already have. The opposition is getting stronger, just think about laws 20 years ago compared to today, they have been spouting gun control since I can remember, they can pass laws in a few states but others pass pro laws more and more. I doubt if they can get anything federal passed, the dictator has to try to by executive order and his drones at a certain federal agency tries to ban certain ammo but passing laws doesn't make it today.

[The Legion]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/01/gun-control-groups-accused-swatting-open-carry-permit-holders-putting-lives-at/?intcmp=hpbt2

 

 

Second Amendment groups are accusing the gun control lobby of putting law-abiding owners of firearms in danger by urging people to call the police on anyone carrying a gun in public.

As more states relax rules about open-carrying of guns, the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence has taken to social media to urge the public to assume gun-toters are trouble, and to call the cops on anyone they feel may be a threat.

“If you see someone carrying a firearm in public—openly or concealed—and have ANY doubts about their intent, call 911 immediately and ask police to come to the scene,” the group wrote on its widely followed Facebook page. “Never put your safety, or the safety of your loved ones, at the mercy of weak gun laws that arm individuals in public with little or no criminal and/or mental health screening.”

That approach, according to a blog post by Ohio-based Buckeye Firearms Association, could give rise to needless, tense confrontations between police and gun owners. The association and other similar groups liken the tactic to “swatting,” or the act of tricking an emergency service into dispatching responders based on a false report. Many online harassment campaigns have been known to participate in the practice.

“This practice is exactly what they [Coalition to Stop Gun Violence] are doing,” said Erich Pratt, spokesman for Virginia-based Gun Owners of America. “It’s one thing if someone is using a gun in an illegal or unlawful manner. No one is questioning that. But this clearly sounds like swatting.”

 

Pratt adds that it may be a move of desperation by those looking to get guns off the streets.

“Anti-gun advocates are clearly frustrated. They want guns banned,” he said. “But they have been thwarted in the past, so they are looking for alternative means.

“They are inciting their radical base to turn their own neighbors in.”

It is not the first time supporters of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and other gun control advocates have pressed for the public to call cops on legal gun owners. An October 2014 National Review article found that the Facebook pages and websites of groups including the coalition, Moms Demand Action and GunFreeZone.net included numerous comments from the public advocating that people call the police and intentionally exaggerate what they see in the hopes of getting cops to stop those open-carrying guns.

Open carry rules, in one form or another, are legal in every state except for five—California, Florida, Illinois, New York, and South Carolina, as well as the District of Columbia. However, many states that do permit open carry have put in place stringent laws that require some sort of permit or license.

 

The main issue that gun advocates have with the Coalition’s tactics is the potential of putting law-abiding citizens in real danger. Officials for the anti-gun group say that this is not the case.

“In an era in which individuals are being allowed to carry loaded guns on our streets with no permit, background check or required training, it is common sense for concerned citizens to call 911 when they see an armed individual whose intentions are unclear,” Ladd Everitt, director of communications for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence said in a statement to FoxNews.com. “These [open carry] laws guarantee that we—and law enforcement—will have no idea about the criminal and/or mental health background of these individuals until they actually commit a crime; and by then it could be far too late.  We have full confidence in our men and women in blue to assess these situations. 

“Gun-toters who are truly law-abiding and mentally competent have nothing whatsoever to worry about. Their conversations with law enforcement will be brief and professional,” he added. “As for those who are dangerous and have something to hide which would not withstand the scrutiny of a background check or permitting process, they should expect to face some tough questions as a result of these 911 calls. And that makes us all safer.”

But the Buckeye Firearms Association believes the effort amounts to "conspiring to obstruct legal justice.”

Pratt agreed, and said people who call the police without legitimate reason should be charged.

“They would likely be the ones arrested for filing a false report,” he said. “And we are certainly hoping that would be the case.”

[EssOne]

Somebody beat you to it down in the General Chat forum. But thanks for posting it anyway neighbor.

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/90502-anti-gun-groups/

[macville]

I don't OC and won't OC for all kinds of reasons, and this sort of thing is one of them. You can't prosecute most false 911 calls because nobody can ID the caller, and the evidence gathering process would tie down investigators for an inordinate amount of time.  Even at this late date you still can't prosecute a telephone.....you have to establish the case by investigation and that drains away a lot of resources.

 

I find that confusing in this day and age of technology. If someone calls in a report, they are using a phone. Since there are very little pay phones anymore, most likely a call is going to come in from a cell phone. So why is it so hard to trace the number for a call? Even if a call comes in as "unlisted", the number of the phone is in a record that can be gotten by the cops. So unless people are doing these calls on burner phones, it seems like it would be fairly easy to figure out who's phone it is. Plus, the majority of people it seems to be pushed towards are middle class liberals and I doubt they have burner phones or other methods of avoiding detection. 

[GlockSpock]

Oh, and do not ask about the member. I will not disclose who it is to anyone else. There are plenty of witnesses to the incident that can verify everything I have posted.

 

Wow. That is unbelievable. Without a lot of details, can you at least disclose why? Was the member mad at you specifically, just a sick person, seeking revenge, thought it was funny, anti-gun and trying to "right a wrong", etc?

 

If you cannot or will not say anything else, that's understandable but wow.

[gregintenn]

Good gracious, Gordon! Crap just follows you around, huh? :eek: