RIP HUMVEE

[GlockSpock]

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-is-the-army-and-usmcs-humvee-replacement-1726513645

 

 

[A.J. Holst]

Oshkosh, kids overalls and military vehicles...

[JWC]

Could make them cheaper in China or India.

[Johnny Rotten]

Current uparmorded Vees are going nowhere.
You can buy all the soft skin Vees you want on iron planet.

[mk19]

The humvee was a good, mobile troop carrier for state side use with really bad gas mileage, which we took to combat with no armor on them. It was a death trap even when it was armored and I am glad to see it gone. This new vehicle seems like a lighter version of the M-ATV which is the crapiest of the MRAP family, one that provided the least protection when hit by a taliban IED. So, even though this provides better protection than the humvee, and seems like it has a V-hull, it is not as mobile as the humvee and does not provide the protection of a proper MRAP, plus I bet it has really crappy gas milage.

[Tncobra]

Id rather have had the Jeep back.

[EssOne]

What? Y'mean the M38 jeep has been retired?

[btq96r]

The humvee was a good, mobile troop carrier for state side use with really bad gas mileage, which we took to combat with no armor on them. It was a death trap even when it was armored and I am glad to see it gone. This new vehicle seems like a lighter version of the M-ATV which is the crapiest of the MRAP family, one that provided the least protection when hit by a taliban IED. So, even though this provides better protection than the humvee, and seems like it has a V-hull, it is not as mobile as the humvee and does not provide the protection of a proper MRAP, plus I bet it has really crappy gas milage.

 

I was fine with the light skinned HMMWV as it was a great fit for what it was designed for.   It's when we started making ourselves an easy target for IED's that the need for the mass production of uparmored versions came into play.  With that came a lot of safety risks and issues with the aforementioned gas mileage drop, but that was the trade off for the increased protection from SAF, IDF, and IED's to a degree.  Once the EFP came around, the MRAP was needed, and that wasn't enough sometimes, as I knew a medic who was lost when the MRAP she was in got hit with one.

 

The biggest issue I see with this new vehicle is wondering if it's too big for utility use.  My last deployment to Iraq, we couldn't use MRAP's because the area had too many narrow canal roads that the MRAP just wasn't able to navigate.  The bigger the vehicle, the more your vunerablilities in manuaver come into play.  I'm also wondering how much of a maintence headache this thing will be.  It'll also be a nightmare if it requires as much contract support as the MRAP did.

[Johnny Rotten]

You realize Humvees are still rolling off the assemlie line as we speak "export only" :( ​and the C series version for the general public "export only" 

[Johnny Rotten]

picture just taken out in the wild today.

side by side comparasion

 

[nightrunner]

picture just taken out in the wild today.
side by side comparasion

Damn

[Sam1]

Good riddance to that thing!  

[Johnny Rotten]

Good riddance to that thing!  

 

To each his own, I dig them, here is mine

[Sam1]

For personal use, yes. But in the military they were too small, got stuck everywhere and we're so slow off road they held up our convoys on a regular basis.

Then you add 5000 pounds of armor on top of what they were designed to handle and it was like driving a hot mess.

[WarPig]

I actually really like Oshkosh's trucks...

Ive ridden around in many MATVs and MAXXPROS...I prefer the Maxxpro to be totally honest...beats the hell out of RG31s/RG33s.

One day Big Army will get it...

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The Maxxpros are by far the best. Our RG31 took a gnarly blast so I won't completely discredit it but they drive like a bus. That Maxxpro is like rolling around in an Escalade. All the bells and whistles.

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[WarPig]

The MATV is cool but Hajji figured out why EFP it when you can throw 100 pounds of HANFO

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Nothing like the gov't rolling out a $100 million project that took an uneducated, dirt worshipping caveman a month to figure out a way to destroy it with 40 lbs of HME. Even with the UIK upgrade and the rpg net those things are death traps.

If I had the choice of a HMMWV for a farm truck or whatever you would use it for for civilian purposes I'd save the $$$ and put a turret on a Polaris or an old Jeep. Especially an old GI one...

Buying a vehicle assigned to an 19 year old PVT for 10 years is like buying a rent-a-car or marrying a hooker.

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[NoBanStan]

picture just taken out in the wild today.

side by side comparasion

 

 

I can't claim to know all the differences between the MRAP's but I don't think this is it.

 

Edited August 28, 2015 by NoBanStan

[dangerdawg]

https://youtu.be/FaEdL4WgLIM

Edited August 28, 2015 by dangerdawg

[Johnny Rotten]

For personal use, yes. But in the military they were too small, got stuck everywhere and we're so slow off road they held up our convoys on a regular basis.

Then you add 5000 pounds of armor on top of what they were designed to handle and it was like driving a hot mess.

Look at this way, everyone loves jeeps, the Humvee replaced a jeep, it was so different when it came out in 1985 the technology was light years ahead of what it replaced. Not sure why you say there slow a current M1145 will do 70+mph that's a 13,000# truck, what else is faster? The reason I know the MPH is I'll drop into convoy's on the interstate and I'll interact with the soldiers driving my H1, it's always been a thumbs up experience both ways, during one of my convoy encounters I rolled up to a single M1145 and pulled up along side of him and that soldier gave me the lets race face, needless to say he lost..LOL..

 

The JLTV is a awesome looking machine and I'm sad AM General lost there contract to build the next gen Humvee..

 

But I have to ask can a JLTV do this:

https://youtu.be/mIIpVjcRpCA

 

 

 

 

 

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I think not

Edited August 28, 2015 by Johnny Rotten

[Sam1]

Look at this way, everyone loves jeeps, the Humvee replaced a jeep, it was so different when it came out in 1985 the technology was light years ahead of what it replaced. Not sure why you say there slow a current M1145 will do 70+mph that's a 13,000# truck, what else is faster? The reason I know the MPH is I'll drop into convoy's on the interstate and I'll interact with the soldiers driving my H1, it's always been a thumbs up experience both ways, during one of my convoy encounters I rolled up to a single M1145 and pulled up along side of him and that soldier gave me the lets race face, needless to say he lost..LOL..

 

The JLTV is a awesome looking machine and I'm sad AM General lost there contract to build the next gen Humvee..

 

But I have to ask can a JLTV do this:

 

 

I think not

 

Off-road our tanks would run over 40mph with the limiter and around 60mph without it on.  The humvee's couldn't even drive 15 or 20mph through fields to run supplies back in forth.   Every time someone says how awesome they are, I share this photo of my friend that got stuck in a few inches of mud.  He was bringing us breakfast and couldn't even make it across an empty field.

 

 

That new oshkosh has massive clearance, bigger tires, better power and I'm sure better 4wd.  Going 70mph down a highway is irrelevant if you can't drive through a foot of mud off the road, because that's where it matters with the military.  The humvee could still serve a purpose as like a mail truck or food truck or something on base, but they really suck when your life depends on supplies being able to get in and out to you in the field.

 

Every deployment we done when it rained, we would end up towing humvee's out of the mud at least once a day... Now if you were injured and needed evac'd, would you rather have a humvee show up or a JLTV?  I'll take the latter.

Edited August 28, 2015 by Sam1

[Johnny Rotten]

okay point taken, but your friends mid to late 1980's M998 has crappy MTR tires, no CTIS a 3 speed tranny and he shouldn't be running through tracked wheel ruts, 20yrd to the right would have = breakfast on time.  :usa:

BTW: thank you for your service..

[Sam1]

 20yrd to the right would have = breakfast on time.  

 

Notice the chain laying on the hood?  He got stuck about 10 yards before that and we pulled him out, hadn't even had time to get somewhere and put the chain up yet.

[Johnny Rotten]

Experienced Drivers

 

https://youtu.be/YP-2qqFmDfo

 

https://youtu.be/j7gZ28Msa8g ​

 

 

 

Edited August 29, 2015 by Johnny Rotten

[Sam1]

Understand, won't argue. it's obvious you like them, and I'm super glad the military is getting rid of 'em.

[btq96r]

The mud pics make me wonder how top heavy the JLTV is, and how rigorously they evaluated the vehicle for rollovers.