Lets talk AK47 flash hider and brakes...

[JohnC]

Let's discuss AK47 flash hiders and muzzle brakes. :up:

I'd like to know what works and what doesn't? What's trash in quality, fit and finish and what's good?

I'd like to hear comparisons from folks who have tried some until they found what works best for suppressing flash and recoil.

Pics do help! :D

Anyone use these:

AK-74 Style Flash Hider for my imported Saiga: http://www.tapco.com/products/ak/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=58

and

AK Slot Flash Hider: http://www.tapco.com/products/ak/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=61
 
 
Likes, dislikes? Edited August 20, 2015 by JohnC

[Smith]

Either of those work well as a brake, but will do nothing with flash. The '74 is hard to beat but it rather big and heavy but I like them. My favorite is the Manticore Nightbrake, works phenomenally well. I also really like the CNC Warrior Nightbrake. Works well as a brake and a flash hider. Here is a little comparison I did on a few I had laying around. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/79716-ak-brake-comparison-very-unscientific/?hl=%2Bmuzzle+%2Bcomparison

Here are some:

 http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/12/chris-dumm/ak-muzzle-device-test-part-1-recoil-reduction/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuzoiLKAFwA

AR but gives you an idea about some that are similar to the AK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FD-Rou9-9A

[JohnC]

Cool! Going to check out all this info! :up:

[Smith]

Here are some I've used.

'74 style on a vepr x39

 

Manticore Night brake:

 

Phantom 5C2 style (CNC Warrior made)

 

Slant

[JohnC]

Where is the best place to get the muzzle detent pin and spring assembly?

It needs to fit the Zastava M92 PAP and my RWC Saiga IZ132Z. Thanks. :up:

[Smith]

Where is the best place to get the muzzle detent pin and spring assembly?

It needs to fit the Zastava M92 PAP and my RWC Saiga IZ132Z. Thanks. :up:

CNC Warrior. The M92 is a completely different from a standard detent pin assembly. I would just use a crush washer on the Saiga. If the front sight is not already drilled (it's doable) it can be somewhat difficult. You could also change the front sight block out. Some of the Saigas were drilled and then painted over, some are not. Take a small punch and place it where the detent pin should go and tap it a few times. If it starts to break through it's drilled. If not, it's not drilled.

http://www.cncwarrior.com/M92-M85-Muzzle-Detent-Pin-and-Spring-p/25301.htm

[JohnC]

This Rusky Saiga doesn't appear to be drilled. Can you confirm that by this picture?



Looks like I'll just use the crush washer method If it doesn't hurt anything.


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Edited August 20, 2015 by JohnC

[Cruel Hand Luke]

Usually they will EITHER suppress flash OR suppress recoil, but not do both well.

 

I've shot standard "slant break " AKM Muzzle device , Phantom,  Type 84 (Tapco) , M16 style (Tapco) , Manticore Arms NightShroud (for 24mm thread AK74 and AK 100 series) , Vortex, and Liberty Phoenix .  They all work to one degree or another (except the slant break ) . If you have a 24mm thread (AK74 or AK100 series) then the Manticore is the way to go. VERY short and works well. If you have a standard AK 47/AKM14x1LH thread then the Phoenix is probably the best flash hider other than the vortex and it does not "sing" like the vortex does but it is just a tiny bit longer.

 

My "go to" AK has a Phoenix flashhider on it. 

[JohnC]

Take a look at Damage industries. Their prices are impossible to beat and their brakes work pretty well too.

You have to choose between flash hider or muzzle because they serve two separate purposes that general do not overlap.

A flash hider will, as the name implies, hide the muzzle flash but generally does very little for recoil. It is quieter for the shooter.

A muzzle brake will reduce felt recoil but the muzzle flash is often exaggerated. Also, the noise level is excessive and anyone standing close will get the full blast. They are generally shorter.

Personally I prefer brakes because of the reduced recoil, faster follow up shots and they are shorter.

Yeah, I prefer brakes on the rifles. But I'm thinking the flash hider might be a better choice for that 10in barrel M92 PAP pistol.

Seems ending up with the Russian import screwed me on the Saiga as far as getting a brake on it easily. The Zastava M92 PAP will be easy in comparison.

I'm an AK47 n00b and I'm trying to figure all this out so I can get to shootin' asap!

[JohnC]

Usually they will EITHER suppress flash OR suppress recoil, but not do both well.
 
I've shot standard "slant break " AKM Muzzle device , Phantom,  Type 84 (Tapco) , M16 style (Tapco) , Manticore Arms NightShroud (for 24mm thread AK74 and AK 100 series) , Vortex, and Liberty Phoenix .  They all work to one degree or another (except the slant break ) . If you have a 24mm thread (AK74 or AK100 series) then the Manticore is the way to go. VERY short and works well. If you have a standard AK 47/AKM14x1LH thread then the Phoenix is probably the best flash hider other than the vortex and it does not "sing" like the vortex does but it is just a tiny bit longer.
 
My "go to" AK has a Phoenix flash hider on it.

Have any idea which thread the RWC Saiga IZ132Z import uses?

[Oh Shoot]

Yeah, I prefer brakes on the rifles. But I'm thinking the flash hider might be a better choice for that 10in barrel M92 PAP pistol.

 

Manticore Eclipse. No flash. I mean, none. Amazing.

 

http://www.manticorearms.com/Eclipse-Flash-Hider-for-Yugo-Krinkov-MA-6850.htm

 

Can add the detent kit.

 

 

 

- OS

Edited August 20, 2015 by Oh Shoot

[Smith]

This Rusky Saiga doesn't appear to be drilled. Can you confirm that by this picture?



Looks like I'll just use the crush washer method If it doesn't hurt anything.


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No, it is not drilled.

[JohnC]

If you want John, figure out which brake you want and send it to me to open up. That way you can at least slip fit it onto the muzzle. And because it isn't needed for length you can keep it in place any way you want.

Would it be better to do it your way and maybe pin it on, or remove the whole FSB, have the barrel correctly threaded, and then install a new FSB that has the pin and spring hole for brake?

[slow ss]

Pws 47 it'll be loud reduce felt recoil not too bad flash

[dangerdawg]

The Tapco brakes are little more than barrel weights, which in effect help with barrel rise, that Tapco AK-74 "style" brake isn't a 74 brake at all, doesn't even have the expansion chamber a real 74 brake does, nor the staggered port holes on top. Rule of thumb is if it comes in 14mm, it isn't a real 74 brake.

 

The Russian SRVV Jet brake is made in 14mm and is very effective at controlling muzzle rise, being used by Russian troops, will do nothing for muzzle flash, here is a review video, they are available from Circle10 AK -http://circle10ak.com

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6yc8xLWHbU

 

Another one to checkout is the Zenit DTK-2 Compact Brake, CNC Warrior is making an American copy of this in 14mm and 24mm, it's very effective as well at negating muzzle rise, AK Operators Union have been using the Zenit version in many of their recent videos - http://www.cncwarrior.com/Compact-Brake-p/27388.htm

 

Here's a couple videos of the compact brake in action -

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahGBivuMzdY

 

http://vidmg.photobucket.com/albums/v107/TheManWithThePlasticMag/Boomsticks/DTK2InAction_zpsf98bd96c.mp4

 

 

 

Edited August 23, 2015 by dangerdawg

[beevans]

I spent the money on a Lantac Drakon and love it. I was shocked at how much of an effect it had on felt recoil.

 

Here's a quick video from my first range trip with it installed: https://goo.gl/photos/t5wZeSgc9cds3gLw5

[f3joel]

Wish I could (legally) put a Manticore Eclipse on the AMD-65, looks like it works.

Might pick one up for the mini draco.

[JohnC]

I spent the money on a Lantac Drakon and love it. I was shocked at how much of an effect it had on felt recoil.
 
Here's a quick video from my first range trip with it installed: https://goo.gl/photos/t5wZeSgc9cds3gLw5

Nice! That gun doesn't move around at all! Btw... What trigger is in that AK?

[beevans]

Nice! That gun doesn't move around at all! Btw... What trigger is in that AK?

 

It's just the stock trigger that comes in the Century Arms RAS47. I have a preorder in for the ALG Defense AKT-E. There were a few shots that I didn't come all the way out to the reset, so I'm really looking forward to ALG's enhanced trigger. Looks like the reset should be very short on that one.

[Oh Shoot]

Wish I could (legally) put a Manticore Eclipse on the AMD-65, looks like it works.

Might pick one up for the mini draco.

 

?? Murican part, in TN, what's the legality issue?

 

- OS

Edited August 23, 2015 by Oh Shoot

[gjohnsoniv]

?? Murican part, in TN, what's the legality issue?

- OS

I think the AMD's have a permanently attached muzzle device to comply with the barrel length laws. Obviously you could remove said device and attach that one but it might be more trouble than it's worth. Edited August 23, 2015 by gjohnsoniv

[Oh Shoot]

I think the AMD's have a permanently attached muzzle device to comply with the barrel length laws. Obviously you could remove said device and attach that one but it might be more trouble than it's worth.

 

Ah so. Obviously my AK variant knowledge is quite limited, thanks.

 

- OS

[f3joel]

Yeah, if I remember right the barrel on it is 12.5 inches.

Not worth a tax stamp to me...

[JohnC]

Manticore Eclipse. No flash. I mean, none. Amazing.
 
http://www.manticorearms.com/Eclipse-Flash-Hider-for-Yugo-Krinkov-MA-6850.htm
 
Can add the detent kit.
 

 

 
- OS

Just decided to get one of these because I'd needed an adapter to run the Tapco anyway.

Now what to do with the extra Tapco flash hider I don't need....

[JohnC]

Flash hider came in...





Now to figure out the RWC Saiga. I think I might need help cutting off the end and threading it. I'd hate to screw up a barrel on a new rifle I haven't even shit yet. :meh: