glock grip reduction?

[jaysouth]

Is there anyone in the N'vill/boro area that does Glock grip reductions?  

 

Thanks

[ehull20000]

It's wicked simple.  What reduction are you looking to get done?

[tercel89]

Are you talking about shortening the grip by the circumference or by making the grip shorter like taking a 17 and making it the grip size of a 19 or 26?

[jaysouth]

Filling the channel with black epoxy and grinding to smaller size, that is reducing the circumference.

 

Robar and Arizona Response systems do good work, but I want to give the work to someone local if possible.

 

Thanks

[tercel89]

I reduced the grip length on my G22 down to the size of a G27 . It now accepts the G27 magazine and it's flush. It had the RTF2 texture. It was too abrasive for carry. I smoothed it out too. So if I can do it I'm sure you can do it too. I just don't like reducing the circumference and having to fill in that empty space in the rear part of the grip. Cutting and sanding the polymer frame is not too bad , but when you get to grinding it down where the frame has very thin portions and the rest of it is epoxy , things get a little unpredictable later on down the line , in my opinion. I like to keep the frame as strong as possible. Here's my G22 RTF2

 

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Edited June 28, 2015 by tercel89

[Steelharp]

If you don't like the way it feels or fits, why not just buy a gun you DO like the fit and feel of? There are lots of choices.

 

I don't understand all this melting/whittling/grinding/etc. crap. Just buy a gun that fits YOU, instead of bastardizing one. :screwy:

[SlapChopDonkey]

[url="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=392PVaflBszBtQX9wLaQDw&url=http://www.armslist.com/posts/2400463/nashville-tennessee-services-for-sale--gun-stippling--grip-reduction----upper-lower-receiver-modification&ved=0CD8QFjAH&usg=AFQjCNE6gYgVbz9PjlmHwq7DpHUsPcQ_Zg&sig2=PwnNMfk0x2tCvAdHO9ArqQ"]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=392PVaflBszBtQX9wLaQDw&url=http://www.armslist.com/posts/2400463/nashville-tennessee-services-for-sale--gun-stippling--grip-reduction----upper-lower-receiver-modification&ved=0CD8QFjAH&usg=AFQjCNE6gYgVbz9PjlmHwq7DpHUsPcQ_Zg&sig2=PwnNMfk0x2tCvAdHO9ArqQ[/urlYou might try this guy.
Or nomadic arms in Clarksville. Edited June 28, 2015 by SlapChopDonkey

[FTE]

If you don't like the way it feels or fits, why not just buy a gun you DO like the fit and feel of? There are lots of choices.

I don't understand all this melting/whittling/grinding/etc. crap. Just buy a gun that fits YOU, instead of bastardizing one. :screwy:

People have been modify firearms of all types to make them fit their needs. Should we have also told lefties that they shouldn't have 1911s because John Browning didn't design the ambi safety??


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[Steelharp]

People have been modify firearms of all types to make them fit their needs. Should we have also told lefties that they shouldn't have 1911s because John Browning didn't design the ambi safety??


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That isn't even a rational comparison. Changing a part is in no way equivalent to what I said.

[FTE]

That isn't even a rational comparison. Changing a part is in no way equivalent to what I said.

 

 

Ok, we could compare it to backstrap checkering, ejection port lowering, or grip modification if that works better.........

 

Sometimes, someone finds a platform that works for them, but it needs few modifications to be perfect.  Why should we care so much about that choice to comment about it is such a dramatic way?

[graycrait]

There is plenty of advice online on how to do a grip reduction.  If you don't have a vice and a dremel or a good bench grinder with a 3/8 or 1/2 wide wheel it can be a bit more tricky I suppose. A wood burning pen to stipple is pretty cheap.  I used modeling clay to plug the grip channel where I didn't want filler and then poured black tinted Brownell's acraglas into the void.  On my first prototype I ground too much off the back to my liking but simply used black industrial Devcon 290 to build the grip back up to where it fit me perfectly.  It doesn't look as nice as the 15 or 20 grip reductions I did subsequent to that one but it is the one of the last two Glocks I have and it shoots great for me.  Bore axis is almost as low as a HK P7, and points like a finger to the target.   I never found a stock pistol that fit me as well as this G19 and I had a pile.  It got worse finding the perfect pistol after the hand surgery.  I'm all for making the tool fit the person rather than hoping that someone makes a tool that might fit. After a dozen Sigs, HKs, too many 1911s to count, and dozens of poly framed guns I still have two grip reduced Glocks as my primary large capacity handguns.  All the others are gone and I have no intention of getting any others.

[Steelharp]

Ok, we could compare it to backstrap checkering, ejection port lowering, or grip modification if that works better.........

 

Sometimes, someone finds a platform that works for them, but it needs few modifications to be perfect.  Why should we care so much about that choice to comment about it is such a dramatic way?

Do they even still make backstraps without checkering? What ejection port isn't already "lowered" from the factory anymore?

 

Taking a soldering iron, saw, and sanding wheel to a plastic frame sounds way more dramatic to me than any statement I made.

 

I said what I said because I have seen some pretty horrific "custom stippling" jobs, that once the "surgeon" has finished his work that he tries to sell as some more expensive "improvement." :rofl:

[graycrait]

Granted, any Glock that has a grip job and stippling is worth less than stock in my book no matter how nice it looks.  I've had a pile of Glocks and anyone who tells me that certain Glocks are collectable is kidding themselves.  That is the beauty of the things, purely utilitarian.

 

It ain't like Glock grip reductions and stippling is akin to custom Colt engraving by a Colt sanctioned engraver. But I am pretty sure I can get 3/8" of LOP by some judicious "dremeling" which is what I needed to get my wife's Glock 9mm to fit her.   That was well before the 43 or the 42.  I may yet get her a 42 and run off with her 26.

[ehull20000]

I had my 17 cut down to 19 length, removed the finger grips, undercut the trigger guard and had a bit of the hump on the back taken off buy a younger guy at a pawn shop / gun store in Hendersonville off of Gallatin Rd somewhere in the vicinity of New Shackle Island Rd.  It turned out very good except for the stippling which I ended up changing myself. 

 

That experience led me to do my own Glock 19 and it turned out very good if I don't say so myself.  The next Glock 17 I get I'll do my own as well.  

 

Seems to be a lot of stuck up people around here.  Talking down to someone for making their gun better is pretty low.  I've done and had done the exact modifications he is asking for.  They enhance the capability of the weapon system.  That is the foremost consideration.  

 

If you haven't had this done to one of your guns or you aren't willing to do it yourself, maybe you should reevaluate giving advice.  Or start your post about how you think polymer guns should be treated and / or modified.  

 

Working on your own gun or car or home is about the best thing a person can do. Yes you will make mistakes, but probably not enough to matter in the long run.  The more you learn the more well rounded you are as a person.  I guess if this guy has Gaston's original Glock 17 then yeah, maybe he shouldn't get the dremel tool out and go to town, but aside from that rock out with your Glock out bro.    

[Steelharp]

I had my 17 cut down to 19 length, removed the finger grips, undercut the trigger guard and had a bit of the hump on the back taken off buy a younger guy at a pawn shop / gun store in Hendersonville off of Gallatin Rd somewhere in the vicinity of New Shackle Island Rd.  It turned out very good except for the stippling which I ended up changing myself. 

 

That experience led me to do my own Glock 19 and it turned out very good if I don't say so myself.  The next Glock 17 I get I'll do my own as well.  

 

Seems to be a lot of stuck up people around here.  Talking down to someone for making their gun better is pretty low.  I've done and had done the exact modifications he is asking for.  They enhance the capability of the weapon system.  That is the foremost consideration.  

 

If you haven't had this done to one of your guns or you aren't willing to do it yourself, maybe you should reevaluate giving advice.  Or start your post about how you think polymer guns should be treated and / or modified.  

 

Working on your own gun or car or home is about the best thing a person can do. Yes you will make mistakes, but probably not enough to matter in the long run.  The more you learn the more well rounded you are as a person.  I guess if this guy has Gaston's original Glock 17 then yeah, maybe he shouldn't get the dremel tool out and go to town, but aside from that rock out with your Glock out bro.    

Well, I'm going to gather that you're talking about me. You don't know me at all, or you would know I'm certainly not "stuck up." (Man, that's a dated phrase. Do people still say that?)

 

Why shave the finger grooves off? Just get a Gen 2, and that's already done.

 

I have been a professional musician for 41 years. I have seen many guys get an instrument, and then start changing all kinds of things. Pickups, keys, pegs, etc. I always wondered why in hell did they buy it in the first place if they didn't like it? That's like dating a tall, skinny brunette and wishing she'd put on a few pounds, buy flat shoes and dye her hair blond.

 

I never bought an instrument in my life that didn't sound and feel exactly like I wanted it to in the first place. I never wanted them to "get a new one out of the back." I wanted the ONE I liked.

 

"I've done and had done the exact modifications he is asking for.  They enhance the capability of the weapon system." Have you considered submitting a resume to Glock? I'm not being an ass; I'm serious. If you can make a company's product better, why not try to go to work for them, and introduce your ideas?

[TNWNGR]

Re. OP. Aside from the two custom shops you mentioned I've no further personal input. A bit of creative search work sent me to listed gunsmiths via USA Guns, Yep, theirs shops out there but I suspect you'll end up in the East TN area. As to the grip mods...it's your gun do what you want with it, just understand its unreversable. Your already doing your due diligence for an informed decision so best of luck to you.

[ehull20000]

Steelharp, I just checked out The Session Players link in your signature, that is some great music.  I'm very impressed to say the least.  

 

It is fantastic that you have been so fortunate to find just the right instrument so many times.  I wish finding that perfect handgun were equally easy, but often times you can modify one to make it perfect for you.

 

I was wondering if you could find me a circa 2012 factory produced Gen 3 Glock 17 with all the following features:

palm swells molded from my right and left hands

deleted finger grooves

stippling on all contact surfaces

will accept Glock 19 length magazines

will mount a RMR

factory threaded barrel to accept a 1/2x28 suppressor piston  

Suppressor height sights

Cerakote coated slide

 

I think you might have some difficulty doing so and that is why people customize guns.  Or cars or houses or even instruments I suppose.        

 

With regard to buying a Gen 2 to avoid the finger grooves I think that is actually a very good idea.  Maybe the OP could look into handling a Gen 2 and see if that frame style offers better ergonomics.  However, if you do that you would loose the light rail and then you have to dremel that into the frame as well as missing out on some fun aftermarket support depending on when that Gen 2 was made.  

 

Again, I wouldn't recommend modifying any collector grade gun, but a vanilla Glock 17 can really be transformed into something custom with some simple hand tools.  

 

I doubt Glock would be interested in hiring me, but that would be cool.  

[Steelharp]

ehull20000, perhaps you should not look at Glock, but rather at FN. Their FNS-9 addresses several of the desirable points you're looking for. Of course, nothing is going to have your entire list.. but the FN would make finalization minimal.

[TNWNGR]

ehull20000, perhaps you should not look at Glock, but rather at FN. Their FNS-9 addresses several of the desirable points you're looking for. Of course, nothing is going to have your entire list.. but the FN would make finalization minimal.

SH I'm not dinging your opinion on cutting up a Glock frame and such but you do know that cutting of grips and frames isn't a new thing. There was the "Fitz Special"' , converting square butt S&W grip frames into round butt frames, 1911 frame mods bobbed hammers and more. With the exception of replacing a bobbed hammer all of these mods are irreversible.

[Steelharp]

SH I'm not dinging your opinion on cutting up a Glock frame and such but you do know that cutting of grips and frames isn't a new thing. There was the "Fitz Special"' , converting square butt S&W grip frames into round butt frames, 1911 frame mods bobbed hammers and more. With the exception of replacing a bobbed hammer all of these mods are irreversible.

Yes, I know it's not a "new thing." There are FAR more firearm choices now, though, then there were back then. It would seem to me that there should be SOMEthing out there for pretty much everyone at this point. I realize there are mods for competition race guns, etc., but for daily carry, you should pretty much be able to find something that suits your needs without a bunch of cutting and melting.

[ehull20000]

The FNS-9 is a great weapon I'm sure.  I think if I was buying handguns all over again I would seriously consider them for a demo.

 

Too bad I would have to still have to 

make palm swells molded from my right and left hands

deleted finger grooves

apply stippling on all contact surfaces

perform a grip reduction to accept compact length magazines

mill a channel for a RMR

buy and now possibly fit a threaded barrel to accept a 1/2x28 suppressor piston  

find, buy, and install suppressor height sights

Cerakote the slide after all the cutting is done

I forgot about undercutting the trigger guard above so that is equal to both pistols

 

I'm not sure switching from Glock to FN and accepting the lower aftermarket support for things like holsters, parts and magazines makes it worth it so that I can save the 15 minutes shaving off finger grooves with my dremel.  

 

Resale and form seem to be your concern.  Performance and function is my concern.  Many people agree with your train of thought.  Many people agree with mine.  We probably just come from very different parts of the shooting swimming pool.  No right or wrong here, just good discussion.  Thanks for the back and forth.     

 

I hope Jaysouth hasn't been scared off from customizing HIS gun in order to satisfy HIS requirements and not be concerned that OTHER people might not approve or appreciate it.

 

Here, here, here and here are some great examples of premium custom glocks.  I don't see this as any different than 1911 modification, precision rifle customization, AR-15 building or any of the other hundreds of ways to turn something into "yours".   

 

[Steelharp]

ehull2000, thanks for the links. I now fully understand that we are talking apples and oranges. You are talking pure competition race guns, and I'm talking EDC guns. Carry on, young man!! And thanks again.

[FTE]

19s and 23s as "race guns"?  While it's not my cup of tea, you should be aware that many people are taking their "EDC" to that level of customization, including RMRs......

[nightrunner]

Slide lightening cuts and a MRDS doesn't make it a race gun.

I happen to like the factory grip texture of a gen4 glock otherwise I wouldn't mind changing it.

For the people of are against modifying carry guns, because there should be something on the market to suit you, I suppose you drive a completely stock vehicle as well because with everything on the market there should be something to suit you.

Some of us just like it being modified and not like EVERY OTHER ONE OUT THERE.

[ehull20000]

While there are some race guns in there, most of those are carry guns as is mine.