Church shooting in Charlston S.C.

[Grand Torino]

All of these  replies make to much sense.....unless you're a liberal.

[Just2Honor]

News stories now say he bought the Glock 45 with money his parents gave him for his birthday.   He either doesn't have convictions in the system or he hasn't been tried yet.  Another loser using an excuse for his on failures.

[K191145]

I heard his dad gave him a 45 glock

 

Oh great, now my G21 is the new evil black gun they will want to ban.

[mikegideon]

Oh great, now my G21 is the new evil black gun they will want to ban.

 

They wanted to ban it way before this. Nothing has changed.

[Dolomite_supafly]

He did have previous arrests and convictions. The media is wondering why he was able to purchase a firearm after he was arrested for trespassing. He also has arrests for drug paraphernalia.

 

He has already confessed to the killings stating he wanted to start a race war.

 

Also, I heard on the news this morning that the feds are looking at charging him with terrorism. Not sure it qualifies for terrorism but I am for every charge they can throw at him. Because he has already confessed they will likely let him plea out to life in prison rather than death which I agree with. Not because I think he should be given leniency but because life in prison means he will be tormented and tortured every day until he is eventually killed by another inmate. He will live the rest of his life in constant fear which is a lot more torturous than sitting on death row for 15 years then humanely euthanized like a sick dog. 

 

With that being said watch out because Hillary has already said that gun owners are domestic terrorists and this will be used as an example. As sad as this is it will be used to further hurt LAW ABIDING gun owners as well as deepen the divide of this country.

 

BTW, I can see it now. A random person sees someone open carrying a firearm and a call is made saying there is a "terrorist" with a gun.

[Lumber_Jack]

He could have bought it through a private sale or none of the arrests/convictions were felonies. So many times these things get plead down

[mikegideon]

He did have previous arrests and convictions. The media is wondering why he was able to purchase a firearm after he was arrested for trespassing. He also has arrests for drug paraphernalia.

 

He has already confessed to the killings stating he wanted to start a race war.

 

Also, I heard on the news this morning that the feds are looking at charging him with terrorism. Not sure it qualifies for terrorism but I am for every charge they can throw at him. Because he has already confessed they will likely let him plea out to life in prison rather than death which I agree with. Not because I think he should be given leniency but because life in prison means he will be tormented and tortured every day until he is eventually killed by another inmate. He will live the rest of his life in constant fear which is a lot more torturous than sitting on death row for 15 years then humanely euthanized like a sick dog. 

 

With that being said watch out because Hillary has already said that gun owners are domestic terrorists and this will be used as an example. As sad as this is it will be used to further hurt LAW ABIDING gun owners as well as deepen the divide of this country.

 

BTW, I can see it now. A random person sees someone open carrying a firearm and a call is made saying there is a "terrorist" with a gun.

 

Right. He needs 50 or so years of prison love

[bersaguy]

Correct. Very open and accepting congregation with a very open minded pastor as well. IOW a cohesive group of Christians who would welcome a stranger in to worship or observe. I just wish someone their besides their murderer had been armed and put paid to this violent criminal.  

 

BTW if none here have ever done so please make and effort to visit one of your communities African-American Churches. The little old ladies in white dresses are a true treasure and the sermons are spirited to say the least. Good times...

When I first moved to Tennessee from Illinois as a kid of 16 I would go up and park out side an African American country church in a small community called Bell Town in the warm weather just to listen to that magnificent choir sing because all the doors and windows were open and when they were in the spirit and the singers were singing it was totally beautiful and I would try to make sure I got there on time to hear them. You could feel the joy that was coming from that singing out in my truck...........jmho 

[viscero]

From CNN http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-suspect/

 

 

Roof turned 21 in April, and a short time later he had a gun.

On Thursday, investigators did a trace of the handgun used in Wednesday's shooting and determined that it was a .45-caliber handgun Roof purchased from a Charleston gun store in April, two law enforcement officials told CNN's Perez and Bruer.

His grandfather says Roof was given "birthday money" and that the family didn't know what he did with it.

[bersaguy]

From CNN http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-suspect/

For some strange reason I think it is very strange that if the family are not White Extremists of some type that they would have seen that their son had issues and they chose to ignore them...............jmho

Edited June 19, 2015 by bersaguy

[TNWNGR]

http://wtop.com/national/2015/06/gunman-feared-blacks-were-taking-over-the-world/

 

And not unexpectedly the victims family members have forgiven the murderer, advised him to confess and repent. In so doing he's been advised he'll be OK. Whenever you read about hate or are frustrated by race baiter agitating for further gain witnessing the faith and forgiveness of those with greatest loss is humbling.  

[BigK]

http://wtop.com/national/2015/06/gunman-feared-blacks-were-taking-over-the-world/

 

And not unexpectedly the victims family members have forgiven the murderer, advised him to confess and repent. In so doing he's been advised he'll be OK. Whenever you read about hate or are frustrated by race baiter agitating for further gain witnessing the faith and forgiveness of those with greatest loss is humbling.  

 

They're better people than I am. I wouldn't spare no breath to tell him how painful and miserable I hope every second of the rest of his life is.

 

Kudos to them for being so strong and Godly.

[Links2k]

http://wtop.com/national/2015/06/gunman-feared-blacks-were-taking-over-the-world/

And not unexpectedly the victims family members have forgiven the murderer, advised him to confess and repent. In so doing he's been advised he'll be OK. Whenever you read about hate or are frustrated by race baiter agitating for further gain witnessing the faith and forgiveness of those with greatest loss is humbling.

Thanks for posting this. Some people seem giddy at the prospect of a race war, but from the time that I heard about this incident all that I've heard from those with skin in the game has been request for peace and prayers along with pleasant memories of the loved ones that they lost. Edited June 19, 2015 by LINKS2K

[Dirtshooter]

I am sure ya'll have thought of this, but this crime happened in the south. All of the other riots were in the north. I really believe that race relations are better in the south for the most part. I really feel for the families of the victims. As for the dirtbag, I think a firing squad or maybe a more gruesome death like that of William Wallace, gut him, quarter him, then decapitate him and put his head on a pole for all the other dirtbags to see. I know this may seem too gruesome for some people, but I am a firm believer that if ever town had a gallows set up and held public hangings that the violent crimes would nose dive.

[Caster]

Right. He needs 50 or so years of prison love

.....in a cell with a 6'4" 300lb black dude named Tyrone who likes to tattoo boobs on other peoples back.

[Monkeyman2500]

So now there are statements from his friends, one of whom is black, that he talked of doing this just a week prior to the event. If this is true what the heck are kids thinking these days. It seems in all these cases someone, either parents or friends, know these people are screwed up. I wish instead of going straight to gun bans someone would start discussing the responsibility of those around them.

[DaveTN]

So now there are statements from his friends, one of whom is black, that he talked of doing this just a week prior to the event. If this is true what the heck are kids thinking these days. It seems in all these cases someone, either parents or friends, know these people are screwed up. I wish instead of going straight to gun bans someone would start discussing the responsibility of those around them.

Other than family members; most can’t do anything until they commit a crime.

I got dispatched one time to a “suspicious person, possible mental case”. When I arrived I talked with a guy that had been released from our local mental institution. He said he wasn’t mentally stable, but that they had kicked him out because his state funding ran out. He was afraid he was going to hurt someone. He wanted to go back and was willing to sign himself in.

I had the dispatchers call and talk with the institution. They came back and told me that a Doctor would not definitively say that he was a danger; so the state said he had to go.

I told him I could not take him back there and he had committed no crime; so continue on. He walked over and picked up a concrete block and threw it through the windshield of my squad. I said “That will do it.” I put him in my squad and ask Command where they wanted me to take him. They told me to take him back to the mental institution. Then they accepted him.

What if instead of doing what he did, he figured out that if he stuck a knife in someone or shot some people he would be where he wanted to be?

There are plenty of people looking out for the rights of criminals and those that are a danger; there are very few looking out for the rights of the innocent people that are about to come in contact with those people. That was not the intent of our Founding Fathers.

[Dolomite_supafly]

The brain is an organ, just like the heart or lungs or liver, but when your brain is failing you finding treatment is much harder than if it was a heart, lungs or liver. You don't see the same kind of sympathy for someone who is mentally ill as someone who has brain cancer even though they affect the same organ. The best someone with a mental handicap can hope for is to be thrown in jail to get the treatment he/she needs but while in jail they often become victims of violence which only makes the problem worse.

 

And now with the government attacking ANYONE, not just those that are violent, we are going to see a lot more problems because those who have a mental disability are going to avoid going to the doctor. They should be viewed, and treated, the same as someone with any other organ failing them.

[Monkeyman2500]

Dave and Dolomite, you both bring up very good points. I believe if those around these individuals do not take any action or responsibility this type of tragedy will just keep happening. The actual people that believe in banning guns, not the politicians, just do not realize the perpetrators will find another way. I believe it is a difficult problem with no real certain solution.

[TNWNGR]

Yeah, I've got some of my own stories about mentally ill people who should have never been released from a mentall health hospital. Many of these stories involve family member or neighbors whose bodies I had to see or help provide treatment to the ones stil alive.

There are some folks who'll never be right and always either a direct threat or on the verge of being a threat. These are the ones who need to stay in a treatment center.

Sometimes though a family know that a family member has crossed over that edge of sanity and that police should be called. But they don't call, they rationalize it'll be ok or that the family member wil get better.

[Sam1]

Found the dude's website and pulled it up on cache, he had about 100mb of pics stored on it with a manifesto.  Dude obviously had issues, now one of his 'friends' is saying he told them he was going to go shoot up a school and they had 7 days to live, but the dickhead never reported it.

 

 

 

his "manifesto"

 

 

 

I was not raised in a racist home or environment. Living in the South, almost every White person has a small amount of racial awareness, simply beause of the numbers of negroes in this part of the country. But it is a superficial awareness. Growing up, in school, the White and black kids would make racial jokes toward each other, but all they were were jokes. Me and White friends would sometimes would watch things that would make us think that “blacks were the real racists” and other elementary thoughts like this, but there was no real understanding behind it.

    The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case. I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was. It was obvious that Zimmerman was in the right. But more importantly this prompted me to type in the words “black on White crime” into Google, and I have never been the same since that day. The first website I came to was the Council of Conservative Citizens. There were pages upon pages of these brutal black on White murders. I was in disbelief. At this moment I realized that something was very wrong. How could the news be blowing up the Trayvon Martin case while hundreds of these black on White murders got ignored?

    From this point I researched deeper and found out what was happening in Europe. I saw that the same things were happening in England and France, and in all the other Western European countries. Again I found myself in disbelief. As an American we are taught to accept living in the melting pot, and black and other minorities have just as much right to be here as we do, since we are all immigrants. But Europe is the homeland of White people, and in many ways the situation is even worse there. From here I found out about the Jewish problem and other issues facing our race, and I can say today that I am completely racially aware.

                        Blacks

    I think it is is fitting to start off with the group I have the most real life experience with, and the group that is the biggest problem for Americans.
    Niggers are stupid and violent. At the same time they have the capacity to be very slick. Black people view everything through a racial lense. Thats what racial awareness is, its viewing everything that happens through a racial lense. They are always thinking about the fact that they are black. This is part of the reason they get offended so easily, and think that some thing are intended to be racist towards them, even when a White person wouldnt be thinking about race. The other reason is the Jewish agitation of the black race.
    Black people are racially aware almost from birth, but White people on average dont think about race in their daily lives. And this is our problem. We need to and have to.
    Say you were to witness a dog being beat by a man. You are almost surely going to feel very sorry for that dog. But then say you were to witness a dog biting a man. You will most likely not feel the same pity you felt for the dog for the man. Why? Because dogs are lower than men.
    This same analogy applies to black and White relations. Even today, blacks are subconsciously viewed by White people are lower beings. They are held to a lower standard in general. This is why they are able to get away with things like obnoxious behavior in public. Because it is expected of them.
    Modern history classes instill a subconscious White superiority complex in Whites and an inferiority complex in blacks. This White superiority complex that comes from learning of how we dominated other peoples is also part of the problem I have just mentioned. But of course I dont deny that we are in fact superior.
    I wish with a passion that niggers were treated terribly throughout history by Whites, that every White person had an ancestor who owned slaves, that segregation was an evil an oppressive institution, and so on. Because if it was all it true, it would make it so much easier for me to accept our current situation. But it isnt true. None of it is. We are told to accept what is happening to us because of ancestors wrong doing, but it is all based on historical lies, exaggerations and myths. I have tried endlessly to think of reasons we deserve this, and I have only came back more irritated because there are no reasons.
    Only a fourth to a third of people in the South owned even one slave. Yet every White person is treated as if they had a slave owning ancestor. This applies to in the states where slavery never existed, as well as people whose families immigrated after slavery was abolished. I have read hundreds of slaves narratives from my state. And almost all of them were positive. One sticks out in my mind where an old ex-slave recounted how the day his mistress died was one of the saddest days of his life. And in many of these narratives the slaves told of how their masters didnt even allowing whipping on his plantation.
    Segregation was not a bad thing. It was a defensive measure. Segregation did not exist to hold back negroes. It existed to protect us from them. And I mean that in multiple ways. Not only did it protect us from having to interact with them, and from being physically harmed by them, but it protected us from being brought down to their level. Integration has done nothing but bring Whites down to level of brute animals. The best example of this is obviously our school system.
    Now White parents are forced to move to the suburbs to send their children to “good schools”. But what constitutes a “good school”? The fact is that how good a school is considered directly corresponds to how White it is. I hate with a passion the whole idea of the suburbs. To me it represents nothing but scared White people running. Running because they are too weak, scared, and brainwashed to fight. Why should we have to flee the cities we created for the security of the suburbs? Why are the suburbs secure in the first place? Because they are White. The pathetic part is that these White people dont even admit to themselves why they are moving. They tell themselves it is for better schools or simply to live in a nicer neighborhood. But it is honestly just a way to escape niggers and other minorities.
    But what about the White people that are left behind? What about the White children who, because of school zoning laws, are forced to go to a school that is 90 percent black? Do we really think that that White kid will be able to go one day without being picked on for being White, or called a “white boy”? And who is fighting for him? Who is fighting for these White people forced by economic circumstances to live among negroes? No one, but someone has to.

    Here I would also like to touch on the idea of a Norhtwest Front. I think this idea is beyond stupid. Why should I for example, give up the beauty and history of my state to go to the Norhthwest? To me the whole idea just parralells the concept of White people running to the suburbs. The whole idea is pathetic and just another way to run from the problem without facing it.
    Some people feel as though the South is beyond saving, that we have too many blacks here. To this I say look at history. The South had a higher ratio of blacks when we were holding them as slaves. Look at South Africa, and how such a small minority held the black in apartheid for years and years. Speaking of South Africa, if anyone thinks that think will eventually just change for the better, consider how in South Africa they have affirmative action for the black population that makes up 80 percent of the population.
    It is far from being too late for America or Europe. I believe that even if we made up only 30 percent of the population we could take it back completely. But by no means should we wait any longer to take drastic action.

    Anyone who thinks that White and black people look as different as we do on the outside, but are somehow magically the same on the inside, is delusional. How could our faces, skin, hair, and body structure all be different, but our brains be exactly the same? This is the nonsense we are led to believe.
    Negroes have lower Iqs, lower impulse control, and higher testosterone levels in generals. These three things alone are a recipe for violent behavior. If a scientist publishes a paper on the differences between the races in Western Europe or Americans, he can expect to lose his job. There are personality traits within human families, and within different breeds of cats or dogs, so why not within the races?
    A horse and a donkey can breed and make a mule, but they are still two completely different animals. Just because we can breed with the other races doesnt make us the same.
    In a modern history class it is always emphasized that, when talking about “bad” things Whites have done in history, they were White. But when we lern about the numerous, almost countless wonderful things Whites have done, it is never pointed out that these people were White. Yet when we learn about anything important done by a black person in history, it is always pointed out repeatedly that they were black. For example when we learn about how George Washington carver was the first nigger smart enough to open a peanut.

    On another subject I want to say this. Many White people feel as though they dont have a unique culture. The reason for this is that White culture is world culture. I dont mean that our culture is made up of other cultures, I mean that our culture has been adopted by everyone in the world. This makes us feel as though our culture isnt special or unique. Say for example that every business man in the world wore a kimono, that every skyscraper was in the shape of a pagoda, that every door was a sliding one, and that everyone ate every meal with chopsticks. This would probably make a Japanese man feel as though he had no unique traditional culture.

    I have noticed a great disdain for race mixing White women within the White nationalists community, bordering on insanity it. These women are victims, and they can be saved. Stop.

                        Jews

    Unlike many White naitonalists, I am of the opinion that the majority of American and European jews are White. In my opinion the issues with jews is not their blood, but their identity. I think that if we could somehow destroy the jewish identity, then they wouldnt cause much of a problem. The problem is that Jews look White, and in many cases are White, yet they see themselves as minorities. Just like niggers, most jews are always thinking about the fact that they are jewish. The other issue is that they network. If we could somehow turn every jew blue for 24 hours, I think there would be a mass awakening, because people would be able to see plainly what is going on.

    I dont pretend to understand why jews do what they do. They are enigma.



                        Hispanics

    Hispanics are obviously a huge problem for Americans. But there are good hispanics and bad hispanics. I remember while watching hispanic television stations, the shows and even the commercials were more White than our own. They have respect for White beauty, and a good portion of hispanics are White. It is a well known fact that White hispanics make up the elite of most hispanics countries. There is good White blood worht saving in Uruguay, Argentina, Chile and even Brasil.

But they are still our enemies.


                        East Asians

I have great respent for the East Asian races. Even if we were to go extinct they could carry something on. They are by nature very racist and could be great allies of the White race. I am not opposed at all to allies with the Northeast Asian races.


                        Patriotism

    I hate the sight of the American flag. Modern American patriotism is an absolute joke. People pretending like they have something to be proud while White people are being murdered daily in the streets. Many veterans believe we owe them something for “protecting our way of life” or “protecting our freedom”. But im not sure what way of life they are talking about. How about we protect the White race and stop fighting for the jews. I will say this though, I myself would have rather lived in 1940's American than Nazi Germany, and no this is not ignorance speaking, it is just my opinion. So I dont blame the veterans of any wars up until after Vietnam, because at least they had an American to be proud of and fight for.


                        An Explanation

    To take a saying from a film, “I see all this stuff going on, and I dont see anyone doing anything about it. And it pisses me off.”. To take a saying from my favorite film, “Even if my life is worth less than a speck of dirt, I want to use it for the good of society.”.

    I have no choice. I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.

Unfortunately at the time of writing I am in a great hurry and some of my best thoughts, actually many of them have been to be left out and lost forever. But I believe enough great White minds are out there already.

    Please forgive any typos, I didnt have time to check it. 

[Sam1]

Guess the scumbag liked to burn & spit on American flags too

 

 

[gregintenn]

Found the dude's website and pulled it up on cache, he had about 100mb of pics stored on it with a manifesto.  Dude obviously had issues, now one of his 'friends' is saying he told them he was going to go shoot up a school and they had 7 days to live, but the dickhead never reported it.

 

 

 

his "manifesto"

He is more articulate than I would have imagined.

[300winmag]

This is one of the saddest events that I have seen in a while.  The folks at the church were trying to welcome the boy and witness to him when he showed up to their Bible study.  He just turned around and killed people trying to be kind to him.  He has so much of the devil inside of him to commit such a crime.  The people at the church have a ton of integrity for still trying to show the light to this boy caught in darkness after he hurt that church.

 

I personally think this guy should be given his trial, a year of appeals, and then executed.  It is obvious that he is guilty because he proudly admitted to the crime.  The trial is just a paperwork formality.  Sadly, he will probably plea guilty in exchange for life in prison and then be able to make friends in prison and spread his garbage.  Even if a jury gave him the death penalty, the guy would sit on death row for twenty years of appeals paid for by the state because the politicians do not have enough intelligence to cut appeals for obviously guilty people.

[Sam1]

Not only that 300, but I think when he is executed, a black man should be able to flip the switch while his lids are taped open so it's the last face he sees on the planet.

 

The process should go like "Do you have any last words?" then the guy turns on the juice before he gets a chance to say anything.

 

Then they need to go back and prosecute his 'friends' that failed to report him for saying he was going to go shoot up the school.