10/22 barrel question

[gomer pyle]

I have a Magnum Research 10/22 with a carbon fiber barrel. I like the barrel but It is not threaded. Is there any way of machining and adding a threaded insert to the end? Im not sure I want to "ruin" this barrel. I have a suppressor "in jail" and am trying to get ahead on this. If there is not a good way to fix my barrel, what brand do you recommend? I'm looking at the WistlePig but have read some rumors of mushrooming over time with aluminum barrels. This is an all around gun that will mostly be shot free hand.
Thanks
Daniel

[Ugly]

I can recommend the Kidd ultralight, truly impressive with fit, function and accuracy. The craftsmanship is outstanding too.

http://www.coolguyguns.com/KIDD-22LR-Ultra-Lightweight-Fluted-Rifle-Bull-Barrel_p_138.html

I think it's a tall order to thread your carbon fiber and it could be a costly learning process. If it were me I would sell it.

Have fun!

[gomer pyle]

I can recommend the Kidd ultralight, truly impressive with fit, function and accuracy. The craftsmanship is outstanding too.

http://www.coolguyguns.com/KIDD-22LR-Ultra-Lightweight-Fluted-Rifle-Bull-Barrel_p_138.html

I think it's a tall order to thread your carbon fiber and it could be a costly learning process. If it were me I would sell it.

Have fun!

That's what I'm worried about. I have looked at the Kidd barrels but haven't seen any reviews on any forums, glad to hear you like yours.

[MacGyver]

I don't know that anyone has ever regretted the purchase of a Kidd product.  You won't find better quality anywhere in the 10/22 space.

 

I shoot a Kidd barrel, and a couple of Kidd triggers.  The barrel groups great, but obviously it's only one part of a gun built with quality components.  The triggers on the other hand stand in a category by themselves.  From the moment you take one out of the box you know that you're holding quality.  Pull one alongside a factory trigger and you'll never go back the other way.

[gomer pyle]

I do have a Kidd trigger and the quality is awesome.

[FightingSheepDog]

Have you looked at a Fedderson barrel? They're made in Lenoir City, TN and are SUPERB. We've gotten several of theirs and LOVE them. (Fedderson used to make Ronnie Barrett's barrels until Barrett started manufacturing their own.)

 

Fedderson's site: http://www.1022rifle.com/

[Ugly]

Rimfire central is a wealth of information.

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10

I've heard nothing but great things about Fedderson too.

[gomer pyle]

Have you looked at a Fedderson barrel? They're made in Lenoir City, TN and are SUPERB. We've gotten several of theirs and LOVE them. (Fedderson used to make Ronnie Barrett's barrels until Barrett started manufacturing their own.)

 

Fedderson's site: http://www.1022rifle.com/

I just went to their site and looked. I have never heard of these before. The only problem I have is the weight.

[gomer pyle]

I like both of these but don't know which one to go with?

 

http://www.coolguyguns.com/KIDD-22LR-Ultra-Lightweight-Fluted-Rifle-Bull-Barrel_p_138.html

 

or

 

http://www.coolguyguns.com/KIDD-22LR-Lightweight-Fluted-Aluminum-Sleeved-Rifle-Bull-Barrel_p_150.html

[Ugly]

I have the first one. Very happy!

I have shot a couple hundred rounds a sitting and have had no warping.
The 2nd looks good too but is 3/4 lb heavier. I would imagine it's just like a stainless bull barrel with the aluminum look on the outside.

Personally I think they are sooooo accurate, they get boring!

As a side note, Kidd barrels are for .22 LR, not mini mags. It's somewhere In their literature. The mini mags are too long and can damage the chamber (I believe) Edited May 29, 2015 by Still Ugly

[gomer pyle]

I have the first one. Very happy!

I have shot a couple hundred rounds a sitting and have had no warping.
The 2nd looks good too but is 3/4 lb heavier. I would imagine it's just like a stainless bull barrel with the aluminum look on the outside.

Personally I think they are sooooo accurate, they get boring!

As a side note, Kidd barrels are for .22 LR, not mini mags. It's somewhere In their literature. The mini mags are too long and can damage the chamber (I believe)

I glad you told me, I didn't see it anywhere on their site.

[Ugly]

I glad you told me, I didn't see it anywhere on their site.

Not sure how crucial it is, otherwise he would have a big warning plastered somewhere. I guess over time, brass against steel might do some damage or make the cases stick. I read it some where and haven't tried using them. Which is fine by me, I save the mini mags for my Walther p22.

I've found that with the barrel, I can shoot cheap ammo extremely accurate. If you're in east TN you can check my 10/22 out. Personally I couldn't be happier with the ultralight barrel and would highly recommend them.

[Oh Shoot]

As a side note, Kidd barrels are for .22 LR, not mini mags. It's somewhere In their literature. The mini mags are too long and can damage the chamber (I believe)

 

I do believe that refers to Stingers. CCI MiniMags are exactly within standard .22LR dimensions for both casing and bullet. There's nothing "mag" about them, it's just a name. Matter of fact they are pretty much "the" standard round in consistency for trouble shooting.

 

Ruger also advises not to shoot Stingers in their .22 target barrels.

 

CCI Velocitors can be problematic in some chambers also -- though they are standard OAL in both casing and bullet, the driving band on the bullet is set farther forward.

 

- OS

Edited May 29, 2015 by Oh Shoot

[graycrait]

ditto on Oh Shoot's:  its Stingers, not Mini Mags.   As far as I know no decent shooting .22LR aftermarket barrel will accept Stingers.  You can get barrels specifically reamed to shoot Stingers, but then standard length .22lr accuracy will suffer.  Most mass market .22lrs are chambered to accept Stingers.  There are all kinds of theories on how to chamber a .22LR and there are quite a few different .22LR chamber reamers.  In the end you need a longer chamber for Stingers, then standard .22lr have to "jump the gap."  How much does accuracy suffer? Not so much that the squirrels or rabbits will be able to tell.   Having been around and owned quite a few 10/22 .22lr barrels I won't argue against a Kidd barrel.  

 

Currently the only light weight threaded barrel that I know of that might come close to the Kidd might be the PWS carbon fiber barrel:   http://primaryweapons.com/firearms/t3/tensionbarrels/#.VWjjNjY4nTY

 

Of course if you want the ultimate quiet "10/22" then you really need a PWS receiver.  http://primaryweapons.com/firearms/t3/#.VWjksjY4nTY

 

If you want to shoot shorts or colibras in a 10/22 either manually cycling a semi or have the PWS then you should get this magazine:  http://www.urbanriflesupply.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=75:22-short-magazine&catid=81:accessories&Itemid=468

 

I've had firsthand good luck with Kidd, PWS and Urban Rifle Supply (URS).  The URS .22short mags are awesome.

Edited May 29, 2015 by graycrait

[graycrait]

PTG makes 19 different .22LR reamers.  One guy I know who used to do 10/22 chambering had 8 or 10 of those: http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312140

 

As always I differ to Dolomite on exacting mechanicals.  But in some .22 rifles, like some Marlins, Stingers shoot pretty darn good along with .22lr.  

 

In reference to barrel twist and bullet weight/velocity- I purchased two barrels that were made to shoot Aguilla SSS 60 grain bullets at 950fps if memory serves. Neither barrel, one in 1:9 the other in 1:11.25, impressed me out to 50 yards. I was so disappointed I relegated the 60grain SSS to its best role as a 5 yard belly gun round best shot out of a Taurus Poly PT22.  Trouble is my Keltec P32 is smaller and lighter than a Taurus Poly Pt22 so I gave all my 60 grain SSS away when I unloaded the Taurus.

 

What I have learned after all the money on 10/22s.  Get your bolt headspaced properly, buy a Green Mountain heavy taper barrel, get a Kidd trigger kit for a Ruger OEM Poly housing and the stock of your choice.  Bed as appropriate.  If you want more paper accuracy get an Anschutz. 

 

No one shoots a 10/22 in international competition. 

 

Lastly, if you just want a really really good shooting 10/22 and a thousand or so bucks doesn't bother you just buy a complete Kidd rifle, or at least a complete barreled action, then buy the stock you want.

Edited May 29, 2015 by graycrait

[gomer pyle]

The Kidd barrels are .870 and my Hogue stock is for a .920 barrel channel, does anybody have any pics of what that would look like?

 

I did call Kidd today and they stated that it is fine to shoot mini-mags in their barrels.

[graycrait]

Your Hogue stock will work fine and the gap not that noticeable but a Hogue stock is hardly suitable for a Kidd barrel if you want to extract the accuracy capable of the barrel if you have a good trigger and the bolt is right also.  If you have a Kidd barrel, Kidd barrel and OEM Ruger bolt you are not going to get the max benefit.  Get a Kidd bolt or have CPC do your bolt but I think a Kidd bolt with your barrel would be better.

 

 what it seems to me that you have is an OEM bolt, OEM receiver, Kidd barrel and Kidd trigger and a "cheap" Hogue stock.  What is that supposed to accomplish?  I don't want to sound harsh but this is from personal experience.  Half measures leave you disappointed. Go all the way or don't go at all.  You need a good matched bolt and good stock.

[Dolomite_supafly]

The Kidd barrels are .870 and my Hogue stock is for a .920 barrel channel, does anybody have any pics of what that would look like?

 

I did call Kidd today and they stated that it is fine to shoot mini-mags in their barrels.

The difference is .025 between the stock and channel which is SMALL.

[gomer pyle]

This is what I have
https://www.magnumresearch.com/Firearms/Magnum-Research-22LR-Hogue-OverMolded-Rifle.asp
It is not an OEM receiver or bolt. I'm sure there is more I can do but I am happy with the gun I have. It is accurate and comfortable, I'm only changing because it does not have a threaded barrel.

[gomer pyle]

The difference is .025 between the stock and channel which is SMALL.

Thanks

[Ugly]

Thanks OS! I forgot all about stingers, now I'll try the minimags.

You guys are a wealth of info!
I would like to try a Hogue stock if anyone has one cheap :)

I have a Kidd ultralight, laminate stock and did some trigger work. It's ridiculously accurate!

Added a BSA 22 scope and bipod.

I'll post a pic if someone has an easy link to do it.

[graycrait]

All you want is a threaded barrel?  Any available will do for minute of squirrel head at 50 yrds. Take your pick.