Centennial Medical Center

[dariks]

I'm trying to find out if the roads that go through the Centennial campus are owned by Centennial or by Metro Nashville. Specifically Murphy Ave.

If anybody knows of a link I would greatly appreciate it.

[alwayspackin]

Why???? Have you gotten into some trouble or something? Something smells a little :poop:ty.

[dariks]

No trouble. Just a difference of opinion with their rent-a-cops.

Centennial is a tobacco free campus. Their security guard told me I couldn't smoke on the sidewalk so I stepped into the street and he said they owned the streets as well.

I'm pretty darn sure he is either lying or mis-informed. The street has regular signage like you'd see on any other street and the street is open to the public. If Centennial doesn't own the street and/or sidewalk then he can't tell me to not smoke there.

[dunndw]

I'd bet they don't own Murphy road any more then I own the street in front of my house.

[DaveTN]

If Centennial doesn't own the street and/or sidewalk then he can't tell me to not smoke there.

But he did tell you that, right?

Tell him to go piss up a rope and report back here if he whips a big azz ticket on you.

Just kidding, just kidding…. I have no idea.

[dariks]

Yeah, he did tell me and my wife (the patient) that we couldn't smoke there. He told us we had to walk down to 22nd Ave to smoke.

[poak]

I seriously doubt the hospital maintains that road.

I'm quite certain your tax dollars do.

[dunndw]

If for some reason you have to go back, ask for proof of ownership, then tell him to piss off. I don't think they can do anything other than ask you to leave

[DRM]

I don't know about Murphy, but I do know for a fact that HCA owns part of 24th Ave north as it dead ends into the campus coming from Charlotte Ave., so them owning a portion of Murphy that passes through the campus is not out of the question.

But seriously - what's the big deal about you respecting their no tobacco policy?

[Oh Shoot]

never mind/...

[DRM]

Oh, and I guess if you really want to push, I could try to locate some of my maps from when I used to manage a couple of the buildings off campus that were eventually purchased by HCA... but honestly - I think you should just comply with the wishes of the property owner.

[dariks]

But seriously - what's the big deal about you respecting their no tobacco policy?

I have no problem respecting their no tobacco policy while on their campus and in fact I followed their policy. It's their property and they can make whatever rules they want to. My problem is that they are trying to enforce the policy where they do not have the right to.

It's verges on the edge of insanity to try and force patients who have recently had major surgery to walk an additional block to smoke.

I called Metro Public Works today and spoke with Bonnie (862-8781). According to her Murphy Avenue between 23rd and 22nd is a public street. Since the road is open to the public CMC's ownership ends at the sidewalk. They have no right to try and enforce their rules on anyone who is on public property.

[Guest clownsdd]

I don't know about Murphy, but I do know for a fact that HCA owns part of 24th Ave north as it dead ends into the campus coming from Charlotte Ave., so them owning a portion of Murphy that passes through the campus is not out of the question.

But seriously - what's the big deal about you respecting their no tobacco policy?

Heck, I'm outside for Ch**** sake, it's a big world. If it's not their property, they can bite one........what's the big deal about someone not "respecting" someone's opposing views on gun control? where does it end?

[DRM]

I have no problem respecting their no tobacco policy while on their campus and in fact I followed their policy. It's their property and they can make whatever rules they want to. My problem is that they are trying to enforce the policy where they do not have the right to.

It's verges on the edge of insanity to try and force patients who have recently had major surgery to walk an additional block to smoke.

I called Metro Public Works today and spoke with Bonnie (862-8781). According to her Murphy Avenue between 23rd and 22nd is a public street. Since the road is open to the public CMC's ownership ends at the sidewalk. They have no right to try and enforce their rules on anyone who is on public property.

So they are saying the sidewalk is public property and not owned by HCA?

[Guest Astra900]

Tell the guy to go back to the mall he came from. Or tell him you didn't order a salad so you don't need any "bacon bits".

[dariks]

So they are saying the sidewalk is public property and not owned by HCA?

She wasn't sure about the sidewalk. She said they usually are owned by the city but not always. I was not standing on the the sidewalk though. I was standing just off the curb so technically I was in the street.

[DRM]

She wasn't sure about the sidewalk. She said they usually are owned by the city but not always. I was not standing on the the sidewalk though. I was standing just off the curb so technically I was in the street.

So you were standing in the street, in an attempt to technically avoid the fact that the hospital has made rule for their property, to help improve the health of everyone who comes and goes to their facility?

Sheesh man... can't you just show a little self restraint and have a smoke later? It's not like they are asking all that much of you, is it?

[poak]

So you were standing in the street, in an attempt to technically avoid the fact that the hospital has made rule for their property, to help improve the health of everyone who comes and goes to their facility?

Sheesh man... can't you just show a little self restraint and have a smoke later? It's not like they are asking all that much of you, is it?

I myself do not smoke, but the guy was in the street for christ sake! I mean, I understand their having a policy, but this whole anti-smoking crusade is getting a little fascist if you ask me...

[Guest Tyler Durden]

Essentially what the rent-a-cop was telling you was that stepping 10-feet further out into the street to smoke may have put you off of hospital property, but it did nothing to mitigate the foul cancerous second-hand filth that you were pumping into the air near other patients, some of whom undoubtedly might have respiratory problems, many of whom don't want to have to suck down your carcinogens.

This isn't going to set well with a lot of people [read: smokers] here but I often find myself wishing that people who smoke would just expedite their demise and lessen the burden on the healthcare industry by just putting a gun in their mouth and pulling the trigger. It's going to be a lot faster for you to die that way as opposed to cancer, and it lessens the financial impact on the rest of us.

And before some genius pops off about how it's your God given, American right to smoke a coffin nail let me remind you that it's also your God given, American right to fellate a shotgun and that your rights end where mine begin.

Smokers, FTL.

[TGO David]

This thread is going well.

[poak]

Essentially what the rent-a-cop was telling you was that stepping 10-feet further out into the street to smoke may have put you off of hospital property, but it did nothing to mitigate the foul cancerous second-hand filth that you were pumping into the air near other patients, some of whom undoubtedly might have respiratory problems, many of whom don't want to have to suck down your carcinogens.

This isn't going to set well with a lot of people [read: smokers] here but I often find myself wishing that people who smoke would just expedite their demise and lessen the burden on the healthcare industry by just putting a gun in their mouth and pulling the trigger. It's going to be a lot faster for you to die that way as opposed to cancer, and it lessens the financial impact on the rest of us.

And before some genius pops off about how it's your God given, American right to smoke a coffin nail let me remind you that it's also your God given, American right to fellate a shotgun and that your rights end where mine begin.

Smokers, FTL.

I seriously doubt he was surrounded by oxygen huffing patients out in the street...

It's no ones "American right" to smoke a cig, it's their "American right" to CHOOSE to smoke a cig.

[Guest Tyler Durden]

I seriously doubt he was surrounded by oxygen huffing patients out in the street...

It's no ones "American right" to smoke a cig, it's their "American right" to CHOOSE to smoke a cig.

Aren't you just as cute as a bug picking apart semantics like this is some sort of collegiate debate team. Maybe we should argue the meaning of the word "is" next.

As someone else pointed out a little more succinctly, it's about respecting the health of others. I'm free to sit next to you and jerk off in a movie theater as long as no one catches me, but does that mean you want to suffer my second hand baby batter? I didn't think so. And likewise I don't want to suffer some self-indulgent jackass's second hand smoke.

The Tennessee ban on indoor smoking is a indicator of where the country is headed. Most intelligent people understand that huffing carcinogens into your lungs for ****s and giggles is bad for your health, and the country as a whole is evolving away from seeing it as being the cool thing to do. Some people still bitch about it being their right to CHOOSE to smoke. What we need is more DDT in the tobacco to help them along to their chosen fate.

Edited November 11, 2008 by TGO David
Let's leave the personal attacks out.

[TGO David]

Stick to attacking the issue and not each other, please.

[canadienmike]

Aren't you just as cute as a bug picking apart semantics like this is some sort of collegiate debate team. Maybe we should argue the meaning of the word "is" next, you plebeian dolt.

As someone else pointed out a little more succinctly, it's about respecting the health of others. I'm free to sit next to you and jerk off in a movie theater as long as no one catches me, but does that mean you want to suffer my second hand baby batter? I didn't think so. And likewise I don't want to suffer some self-indulgent jackass's second hand smoke.

The Tennessee ban on indoor smoking is a indicator of where the country is headed. Most intelligent people understand that huffing carcinogens into your lungs for ****s and giggles is bad for your health, and the country as a whole is evolving away from seeing it as being the cool thing to do. Some people still bitch about it being their right to CHOOSE to smoke. What we need is more DDT in the tobacco to help them along to their chosen fate.

First off, you obviously are just spouting off about things you think you know, if you think that DDT is bad for you (proven by multiple studies to have no bad effects at all). As for the rest of your rants, Maybe you should get on your soap box about eating cheeseburgers and fries or Krispy Kream donuts as obesity causes just as much or not more health problems which adds to the burden of the healthcare industry. So instead of stuffing your face with McDonalds next time, why don't you do us all a favour and fellate a shotgun to help keep our health care costs down.

[poak]

Aren't you just as cute as a bug picking apart semantics like this is some sort of collegiate debate team. Maybe we should argue the meaning of the word "is" next, you plebeian dolt.

As someone else pointed out a little more succinctly, it's about respecting the health of others. I'm free to sit next to you and jerk off in a movie theater as long as no one catches me, but does that mean you want to suffer my second hand baby batter? I didn't think so. And likewise I don't want to suffer some self-indulgent jackass's second hand smoke.

The Tennessee ban on indoor smoking is a indicator of where the country is headed. Most intelligent people understand that huffing carcinogens into your lungs for ****s and giggles is bad for your health, and the country as a whole is evolving away from seeing it as being the cool thing to do. Some people still bitch about it being their right to CHOOSE to smoke. What we need is more DDT in the tobacco to help them along to their chosen fate.

Maybe if you used more big words and came off a little smugger, I'd see your point.

I agree that it's poor etiquette to smoke around those who don't want to breathe in your smoke, but the guy was IN THE STREET. NOT standing next to an entrance or exit. If you're worried about the carcinogens from 2nd hand smoke from a guy standing 50ft away from you, I hope to god you never stand near a running automobile.

As far as legislation against smoking, sure we all agree it's unhealthy, but is it really the government's right to decide what businesses are "allowed to allow" their clientele to smoke? Personally, I dont think so. I dont think a small business owner is so helpless as to make this decision himself. Nobody FORCES you to eat or drink at an establishment. If you dont like the smoke, go somewhere else, it's that easy.