AR pistol build with 6 position buffer tube wrapped in paracord...

[maroonandwhite]

So I know this had probably been discussed eleventy times by now but I could find anything on it. I just received my lower parts kit  for my blackout build and am now deciding on a buffer tube. I am hoping to handle some guns this weekend at NRA and make a decision on whether or not I will SBR this build in the future. I am thinking I will just buy a standard 6 position buffer tube and wrap it in paracord. I think this would satisfy anyone that saw that as an easy way to quickly make an SBR without the wrap. If I don't care for the pistol configuration then I'll take it off and just make a standard 16" rifle build. If only the blackout got anything extra out of a 16" barrel this would be alot easier decision!

 

I guess I'm just looking for opinions and pictures of anyone that has done this before. I know it would be alot easier to just buy a pistol tube and change it out later but being the penny pincher I am I'd just like to buy once.

 

Just as a side not I'm really fighting the urge to do a 20" 5.56 build instead. :cool:

[maroonandwhite]

Nobody?? You guys must all be at NRA. :pleased:

[Photoguy67]

I have an 8" sbr  the I love! It's in 300 blackout if you ever want to check it out, I can meet you somewhere and handle it or if you have a shooting range I can bring a few rounds to try out.

[Oh Shoot]

Doesn't matter if you use a carbine or pistol tube, if you choose carbine, doesn't matter if you wrap it.

 

Simply always have a legal use for any firearm part in your total collection of parts. It's not whether you can make something illegal with collection of parts, but rather whether you can also make something legal with same collection.

 

The test is pretty simple:

 

".. an NFA firearm is made if aggregated parts are in close proximity such that they ... serve no useful purpose other than to make an NFA firearm

 

(full firearms are also "parts", extra parts are fine, "close proximity" has been determined by case law to be your entire property)

 

- OS

[Dolomite_supafly]

Why wrap it in paracord?

 

There is no legal requirement to use a "pistol" buffer tube on a pistol lower. The ATF has stated that the type of buffer tube does not determine what the gun is, the attached stock does. So long as the stock is not on the pistol's buffer tube or the only thing around the stock is your pistol lower.

 

That is if you have a 6 position buffer tube on your pistol you are fine unless you have a stock in the same area that can not fit on anything else.

 

The 300 Blackout does gain velocity by going from a 8" to a 16" barrel but the gains are very small. Matter of fact it continues to gain velocity all the way out to 30" of barrel length. But the gains are definitely not enough to warrant a 16" barrel if velocity is your only concern. Any gun with ~8" barrel is very, very handy but the 300 Blackout is better than any other caliber with that 8" barrel. And when you add a silencer it is still not excessively long like a 16" barrel with an 8" silencer. And a 8" barrel with a pistol length gas system is more reliable than a 16" barrel with a carbine length gas system.

 

If you are ever in the Knoxville area you are more than welcome to shoot mine. I also have a silencer for mine that makes it hearing safe with subsonic ammunition. 

[maroonandwhite]

I guess it's more of just a "just to be sure" kind of thing in my head. I do have the AR rifle so do have a legal use for a stock. I have plans to just put a rubber can tip of some type on the back then paracord over it. I'll then just take a picture or something showing that I actually built it as a pistol first.

 

I've had more than a few offers to go shoot someones blackout or SBR but just haven't had the chance to get to the range. I do appreciate all the offers though.

 

 

And a 8" barrel with a pistol length gas system is more reliable than a 16" barrel with a carbine length gas system.

 

So can I run a 16" with a pistol length gas system? I'm gonna have an adjustable block on it either way.

[Oh Shoot]

I guess it's more of just a "just to be sure" kind of thing in my head

 

It doesn't "make sure" of anything, If you have a stock along with your pistol that has no legal use, paracord does not prevent use of the stock. The degree of difficulty of reconfiguring is not a consideration, it has been upheld by case law to include even machine work.

 

Even a "pistol tube" is no defense, if you have a stock and carbine buffer among your parts inventory with no legal use for them either. Or maybe just a stock and gaffer tape, as "attachable" is not defined in the CFR.

 

It's so simple to comply that even

 

 

can do it.

 

- OS

Edited April 10, 2015 by Oh Shoot

[maroonandwhite]

It doesn't "make sure" of anything, If you have a stock along with your pistol that has no legal use, paracord does not prevent use of the stock. The degree of difficulty of reconfiguring is not a consideration, it has been upheld by case law to include even machine work.

 

Even a "pistol tube" is no defense, if you have a stock and carbine buffer among your parts inventory with no legal use for them either. Or maybe just a stock and gaffer tape, as "attachable" is not defined in the CFR.

 

It's so simple to comply that even

 

 

can do it.

 

- OS

Man you literally never cease to amaze me.  :up:  Thanks for clearing that up a cavemanning it down for me haha. I'll just be sure to hang on to my rifle then while having a pistol.

 

So this leads to another interesting question. Wouldn't any lower that has ever has a buffer tube attached to it be considered a pistol first then a rifle once the stock is installed? Unless of course you had the stock on it when screwing it on. Mainly just talking about stripped receivers and not manufacturer built guns/lowers.

[Oh Shoot]

Man you literally never cease to amaze me.  :up:  Thanks for clearing that up a cavemanning it down for me haha. I'll just be sure to hang on to my rifle then while having a pistol.

 

So this leads to another interesting question. Wouldn't any lower that has ever has a buffer tube attached to it be considered a pistol first then a rifle once the stock is installed? Unless of course you had the stock on it when screwing it on. Mainly just talking about stripped receivers and not manufacturer built guns/lowers.

 

Yes, since there is no barrel or overall length maximum federally for a pistol/handgun, as long as the stock goes on last, it could be argued that every AR build is first a pistol, at least those not done under a manufacturer's license.

 

I wouldn't personally want to be in the position to have to argue that, though. ;)

 

- OS

[maroonandwhite]

Yes, since there is no barrel or overall length maximum federally for a pistol/handgun, as long as the stock goes on last, it could be argued that every AR build is first a pistol, at least those not done under a manufacturer's license.

 

I wouldn't personally want to be in the position to have to argue that, though. ;)

 

- OS

Me either. I mentioned to Guns and Leather that I was going to build a pistol with it and it sounded like they somehow noted that on the forms. Not even sure if it's possible but it didn't hurt to tell them.

[Oh Shoot]

Me either. I mentioned to Guns and Leather that I was going to build a pistol with it and it sounded like they somehow noted that on the forms. Not even sure if it's possible but it didn't hurt to tell them.

 

Nope. Federally, all lowers are supposed to transfer as "other firearm" under field 18 on 4473. Even used ones that might not be lawful for a pistol build. Even complete ones, even with a stock attached.

 

Some states have additional registration where the lower might have to be declared as a pistol, but of course not TN.

 

- OS

Edited April 10, 2015 by Oh Shoot

[maroonandwhite]

Nope. Federally, all lowers are supposed to transfer as "other firearm" under field 18 on 4473. Even used ones that might not be lawful for a pistol build. Even complete ones, even with a stock attached.

 

Some states have additional registration where the lower might have to be declared as a pistol, but of course not TN.

 

- OS

Yeah I knew it was transferred as "other" but they just said something about a note. Maybe it's just in there system somehow. I didn't ask as I didn't really think it mattered.

[Oh Shoot]

Yeah I knew it was transferred as "other" but they just said something about a note. Maybe it's just in there system somehow. I didn't ask as I didn't really think it mattered.

 

Only thing more wacky than what some LGS workers might say are the ones doing same at Walmart.

 

- OS