TN Gun Deaths exceed car deaths in 2013 ..... (right....)

[R_Bert]

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2015/04/07/non-profit-releases-gun-report-criticizes-nra/25410387/

 

Why do I not believe this......???

[Pete123]

They are lying via mis-applying statistics.  It is true that there were more gun deaths than auto accident deaths.

 

The way they are lying is by failing to mention that the great majority of firearms deaths are from suicide.  There are many ways to commit suicide, so inferring that gun control would reduce the amount of suicide is a big lie.

[2.ooohhh]

Not to mention apples to oranges. Cars are designed to be safer year after year, their primary purpose being shuttling you from point A to B. 

 

Firearms are designed to inflict bodily harm, hopefully only to those who rightfully deserve it inflicted upon them because they have left no other reasonable option. To design them to inflict less harm would be against their primary function.

 

If you parked every vehicle currently on the road the auto deaths would suddenly drop to near nil, many clinically obese would likely be cured a short time after, and there would likely be no more DUIs. . .

 

BAN CARS! (it's for the children) :2cents:

[Ugly]

The source of the study is reason enough to stop reading the article.

[none]

Nice job promoting stupidity but what else would you expect from a BLoomberg supplied photo? Guess no one has ever told them to keep your finger off the boom switch unless your ready to fire.

[leroy]

Red meat for the children and creative accounting... It means nothing... No one is gonna give a damm about what these clowns think (...including the Tennessean...)... Folks are edgy and they aint gonna go for gun control anywhere...

leroy

[btq96r]

They are lying via mis-applying statistics.  It is true that there were more gun deaths than auto accident deaths.

 

The way they are lying is by failing to mention that the great majority of firearms deaths are from suicide.  There are many ways to commit suicide, so inferring that gun control would reduce the amount of suicide is a big lie.

 

I think suicides are fair game for numbers when this was tallied.  Since suicide a very impulsive act, having access to a firearm and ammo makes suicide easier for those who just want a quick way to go.  And I also think a firearm is the method of choice for those who would be too cowardly to use other means that would be messier, cause more pain, ect.

 

For myself, I've already decided if I ever felt the need to go out on my own terms instead of enduring the ugly and costly side of fighting an incurable disease, I'll use a gun to handle it.

 

That said, it's still not reason to trample on a Constitutionally protected right.

[Sam1]

In TN there were 938 suicides reported for 2013. (15.4 per 100,000)

 

CDC reported that more than 59% of suicides in 2012 were committed with a firearm.

 

When the economy started tanking in 2007, people couldn't afford to go on as many trips/vacations and the vehicular death rate started dropping almost 20% through 2009 and has bottomed out.

 

 

"there are lies, damn lies and statistics"  The agenda driven groups never seem to want to break down the criteria that contributed to their findings.

 

Took a 30 second google search to debunk a report they probably have 500 man hours invested in.

[Oh Shoot]

I think suicides are fair game for numbers when this was tallied.  Since suicide a very impulsive act, having access to a firearm and ammo makes suicide easier for those who just want a quick way to go.  And I also think a firearm is the method of choice for those who would be too cowardly to use other means that would be messier, cause more pain, ect.

 

For myself, I've already decided if I ever felt the need to go out on my own terms instead of enduring the ugly and costly side of fighting an incurable disease, I'll use a gun to handle it.

 

That said, it's still not reason to trample on a Constitutionally protected right.

 

No way to parse the data to such detail, but I'd opine that alcohol is involved in at least a third of deaths from both fronts.

 

NIH does claim "today,  alcohol is involved in 37% of all traffic deaths among persons aged 16 to 20."

 

- OS

[vontar]

well I am sure they are counting those that are preforming B&E and getting shot by home owner.

 

 

statistics=Start with answer, work backwards until a solution produces the answer.

 

My statistics professor in college on day one, if you want you can like Fast food sales to the birth rate in Africa if you really wanted to.

Edited April 8, 2015 by vontar

[vontar]

The source of the study is reason enough to stop reading the article.

I am sure the timing of the NRA convention had nothing to do with that article considering that wasn't news in 2013.

Edited April 8, 2015 by vontar

[analog_kidd]

The article does not make a distinction for a bad guy getting shot and killed by the hand of law enforcement or a good guy citizen during the course of a crime.I'm sure the numbers would not seem so bad if you took out every Johnny Thug that got shot and killed trying to do harm to others. The article makes it sound like these were unprovoked murders of innocent people.

[LagerHead]

I think suicides are fair game for numbers when this was tallied.  Since suicide a very impulsive act, having access to a firearm and ammo makes suicide easier for those who just want a quick way to go.  And I also think a firearm is the method of choice for those who would be too cowardly to use other means that would be messier, cause more pain, ect.
 
For myself, I've already decided if I ever felt the need to go out on my own terms instead of enduring the ugly and costly side of fighting an incurable disease, I'll use a gun to handle it.
 
That said, it's still not reason to trample on a Constitutionally protected right.

I disagree that suicides are fair game. It implies that guns are the major contributing factor in suicides, when it is obvious that they are only the means to the end. If the opposite was true, the U.S. wouldn't be 30th in the world in suicide rates per capita, we would be first.

I also think that the oft-repeated claim that suicide is an impulsive act is very, very far from the truth. I mean, who is sitting around watching TV and enjoying a good beer and thinks to themselves, "You know what sounds good right about now? Killing myself." No, people who even attempt suicide struggle with issues for a long time before the thought even enters their head. That's not impulsive. So they are either committed or they are crying for attention. The former will reach for a gun while the latter will cut themselves or something less "effective."

[Spiffy]

If they took out the numbers for police shootings and criminal on criminal shooting those evil "gun death" numbers wouldn't be very high.

[vontar]

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics

[Randall53]

REALLY????? So why ain't the they all over banning vehicles like firearms?