ATF raises new concerns about AR-15 ammo

[JohnC]

"Pistol" buffer tubes are not required.
 
- OS

Explain?

[Dolomite_supafly]

I just seen a 8.25" FAL pistol in one of the flyers I get so .308 might be the next "evil".

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411549981

[Caster]

The grand delusion of "Armor piercing". *scoff*

People truly labor unr the delusion that AP ammo is the evil that defeats armor.
First myth: .223 ammo is NOT armor peircing in the traditional sense. It's only function is to defeat soft armor worn by people. It's pretty sad when usd against ARMOR such as an APC or a tank. The old black tip '06 was meant to punch through concrete walls and LIGHT armor.

Second myth: And this is something the left PROBABLY shouldn't be educated on. Punching a hole in armor is not the only way to defeat it. I highly doubt a .50 cal muzzle loader will penetrate a high quality Kevlar vest, I don't know. I DO KNOW, if hit by one and it doesn't penetrate....you STILL won't be in th action. 12g slugs, my .358 Winchester with a 230g cast bullet @ 2000fps....none of these penetrate quality vests. ALL of these will likely break ribs, crack a sternum, collapse a lung, rupture a spleen, cause cardiac arrest and who knows what else. Phrase of the day? Blunt force trauma.
....and as far as hard armor goes, insurgents have proven, the most rudimentary homemade weapon works wonders. Flammable liquid in a glass bottle. Armor is still intact sure but unless there's an on board oxygen supply, a blanket of fire will suck all the oxygen out of the armored structure/vehicle. Chances are, you WILL come out or die, thereby essentially defeating the armor.

All these things are just moves in a chess match and anyone with a little common sense understands that.

[Oh Shoot]

Explain?

 

My comment was only that folks were also making AR10 type pistols before "pistol" buffer tubes were ever really marketed, so they've been around for a good long while, like some even pre AWB (nothing unlawful about a pistol config using a carbine or rifle receiver extension).

 

Although ATF seems to have made a distinction between whether a certain caliber pistol is commercially available or not. Which of course, AR10 ones are these days.

 

- OS

Edited March 13, 2015 by Oh Shoot

[Caster]

 

http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/airborne_combat_engineer/2005/01/the_thunder_50_.html

 

Lvl 4 w/ ceramic plates and a steel over plate?  No problem!

[ProfEngr]

Someone built a 50BMG pistol (registered as an SBR however) about 20yrs ago. I had a chance to buy it, but didn't want the hassle of a stamp. Was based on the Maadi Griffin framework.

[Caster]

Wonder if it's loud?

[Grand Torino]

So the Model 82A1 is still good to go right? :)

[Oh Shoot]

So the Model 82A1 is still good to go right? :)

 

Tactic seems to be to not ban guns at all anymore, just make them empty.

 

- OS

[Dustbuster]

I want to thank everyone for posting the 308 and .50 pistols. My
family will eat hot dogs and spam for the next year till my next collection is complete!


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Edited March 13, 2015 by Dustbuster