Joining other states in the good fight

[Hunter444]

I'm curious and would welcome your thoughts on why TN did not join the other states in this. ( See list at bottom of post) It seems to me I've read of a couple other similar situtations where some red states banded togther to oppose antigun legislation and TN did not join in.

  From my research, TN has the best gun laws in the south along with Kentucky and WV.

For those of you currentlly living there, How do you feel about your long term 2A freedoms being preserved? 

 

Pray you never have to deal with what we have had happen / pass here in CT.

 

 

FROM THE BLAZE

A spokesman for Maryland Governor-elect Larry Hogan said the Republican will not attempt to repeal the state’s sweeping gun control law that’s received opposition from 21 states.

Maryland Governor-elect Larry Hogan speaks during a press conference at the Republican Governors Association conference in Boca Raton, Fla., Nov. 19, 2014. (AP/J Pat Carter)

“If we get bogged down on tinkering around with law in Maryland on controversial issues, we’re never going be able to work together across party lines to fix our broken economy,” Hogan spokesman Adam Dubitsky told the University of Maryland campus newspaper, the Diamondback.

Twenty-one states have filed a brief in support of a lawsuit brought by gun owners, arguing that Maryland’s restrictions affect the Second Amendment rights of their residents.

Hogan spokeswoman Erin Montgomery told TheBlaze last month that the incoming governor wouldn’t have an announcement about the law until after he took office. Montgomery declined to comment Thursday on whether Hogan would support funding the state’s defense of the lawsuit.

Hogan was endorsed during the campaign by the National Rifle Association, which said: “This endorsement is based on Hogan’s support for and commitment to the Second Amendment. Larry Hogan respects the rule of law and the Second Amendment rights of Maryland’s law-abiding citizens.”

An NRA representative did not comment on the new word from Hogan.

Democrats pounced after the NRA’s endorsement, saying Hogan would take away the post-2013 gun control signed by outgoing Gov. Martin O’Malley (D). The Maryland Firearms Safety Act bans 45 assault weapons, limits magazines to 10 rounds and requires fingerprint licensing for the purchase of handguns.

Hogan said during the campaign that he wouldn’t attempt to roll back the law through the state legislature. In a blue state with an overwhelmingly Democratic legislature, such a feat would be difficult.

In November, a bipartisan coalition of 21 state attorneys general, led by West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrissey, filed an amicus brief to the U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals supporting a suit brought by Maryland gun owners.

The Maryland law does not directly affect gun laws in other states, but the attorneys general contend the law was written so broadly that it affects the Second Amendment rights of citizens in other states.

Joining West Virginia are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah and Wyoming.

 

[2.ooohhh]

I no more want TN to band together in an attempt to change your state's laws than I want CT "and friends" to band together to attempt to change TN's laws.

Edited December 5, 2014 by 2.ooohhh

[Garufa]

I no more want TN to band together in an attempt to change your state's laws than I want CT "and friends" to band together to attempt to change TN's laws.

 

This....and TN's Attorney General would be better suited to hold that position in CT.

[Oh Shoot]

This....and TN's Attorney General would be better suited to hold that position in CT.

 

We got a new one now, surely he can't be as bad as Cooper was on gun stuff?

 

Matter of fact, impetus from AG in these states might have been significant factor in whether they joined in, and Cooper nixed it?

 

http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/agbio.html

 

- OS

Edited December 5, 2014 by Oh Shoot

[MphsTiger1981]

I saw this article and I was sort of disappointed that Tennessee was not among the states who had filed amicus briefs. Apparently, the guy just elected governor in Maryland made some campaign promises he never intends to make good on regarding second amendment rights in his state. You might not think it impacts us as Tennesseans, that is until you want to take a nice long vacation with your family, in your car and have to spend time in one of these Communist leaning states and have to travel without your guns.

Besides, the slippery slope of losing constitutional rights in one state impacts us all sooner or later. As was pointed out, perhaps the Tennessee AG sat this one out because he doesn't share our enthusiasm for the Second Amendment. Edited December 6, 2014 by MphsTiger1981

[Hunter444]

I no more want TN to band together in an attempt to change your state's laws than I want CT "and friends" to band together to attempt to change TN's laws.

 

I'm not sure I understand. The artical is talking about pro gun states supporting pro gun legislation. CT has nothing to do with it, I just mentioned CT because I live here now.  I would not want Ct and any other states w similar aditudes to ban togther to affect other states because it would not be suppostive of the 2nd but rather against it. So Im with you on that. ( that is exactly what happend with that "mayors against guns" or whatever it was)

I dont see why it is bad for multiple states to stand togther though in support of gun rights. If a state I live in joins an effort to repel bad gun legislation, I'd be all for it.

I guess there can be variables, like anything else.

[Hunter444]

I saw this article and I was sort of disappointed that Tennessee was not among the states who had filed amicus briefs. Apparently, the guy just elected governor in Maryland made some campaign promises he never intends to make good on regarding second amendment rights in his state. You might not think it impacts us as Tennesseans, that is until you want to take a nice long vacation with your family, in your car and have to spend time in one of these Communist leaning states and have to travel without your guns.

Besides, the slippery slope of losing constitutional rights in one state impacts us all sooner or later. As was pointed out, perhaps the Tennessee AG sat this one because he doesn't share our enthusiasm for the Second Amendment.

 

Thank you, that is exactly what I was thinking.  That is part of what I was asking, about the TN legislators / Govenors additude on this I guess. I didnt understand the 2nd reply until you said this. Now I got it.

The emeny divides and conqures. All gun owners need to stand togther and support our rights.

Thanks everyone for your thought's

Edited December 6, 2014 by Hunter444

[Worriedman]

You will get nothing, and I mean nothing pro-gun from our governor, or any of the divisions of intended separation of powers that he has co-opted via money, from his challenges to any conservatives in the SEC to his PACs use of out of State funds to defeat conservatives in the GA (six conservatives targeted this year) to the highest reaches of the judiciary by getting #2 passed, allowing his hand picked guy to be AG.  This from a member of Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns...

Like the Nation, we in Tennessee must simply survive the rest of his tenure (Haslam's, remember he is Obama's "favorite" Republican governor) just as we hope to survive Obama's reign.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/blog/2014/12/haslam-tdot-not-lawmakers-should-have-final-say-on.html?ana=fbk

Edited December 6, 2014 by Worriedman

[Hunter444]

You will get nothing, and I mean nothing pro-gun from our governor, or any of the divisions of intended separation of powers that he has co-opted via money, from his challenges to any conservatives in the SEC to his PACs use of out of State funds to defeat conservatives in the GA (six conservatives targeted this year) to the highest reaches of the judiciary by getting #2 passed, allowing his hand picked guy to be AG.  This from a member of Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns...

Like the Nation, we in Tennessee must simply survive the rest of his tenure (Haslam's, remember he is Obama's "favorite" Republican governor) just as we hope to survive Obama's reign.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/blog/2014/12/haslam-tdot-not-lawmakers-should-have-final-say-on.html?ana=fbk

 

 

 Im not sure who you mean there in the red..?  I won't lie and pretend to get the relevence of the link re: highway projects?

I agree though and if we do survive, the long term, lasting damage implemented by this current administration is just as bad as if he was emporer for ever

I have one move left in me. I need to make sure we kand in the right state. So far, I beleive that is TN but stuff like this makes me nervous. I know no where will be perfect, here on earth but I'd like to live in a state with strong constituional protection of my hunting and gun ownership rights and a people and lawmakes with the balls to back it up.

 

[Worriedman]

The relevance of the statement in red is that Haslam was a member of Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns until he made his mind up to seek the Presidency using the governor's mansion as a stepping stone.

 

The link shows that he believes he should be able to garner all power unto himself, shouldering the GA out of its responsibility, and the ability of the People to hold them responsible for their actions.  If a bureaucrat can make all decisions then the People are further removed from their Constitutional Right to control the government, and he can charge his fellow mega-business friends for doing their bidding.

 

 

I'd like to live in a state with strong constitutional protection of my hunting and gun ownership rights and a people and lawmakers with the balls to back it up.

The two are mutually exclusive, we passed a Constitutional Amendment to that guarantees the Citizens of Tennessee the Right to hunt and fish, but allows the General Assembly to be in charge, so that is not in truth a right, just as they control the individual's ability to carry firearms outside one's property.  Our Constitution intends the lawful citizen to be able to, our General Assembly has made it a crime.

 

As you are new to the State, here is a link to our Constitution:

http://www.tncrimlaw.com/law/constit/

 

Pay particular attention to Article 1 §s 1, 2, 8, 21 and 26, as well as Article II § 1, Article X § 2 and Article XI § 16.  You get your head around those, and you will be better informed than 99% of the legislators and all the Executive Branch of this State.

Edited December 6, 2014 by Worriedman

[K191145]

 

You will get nothing, and I mean nothing pro-gun from our governor, or any of the divisions of intended separation of powers that he has co-opted via money, from his challenges to any conservatives in the SEC to his PACs use of out of State funds to defeat conservatives in the GA (six conservatives targeted this year) to the highest reaches of the judiciary by getting #2 passed, allowing his hand picked guy to be AG.  This from a member of Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns...

Like the Nation, we in Tennessee must simply survive the rest of his tenure (Haslam's, remember he is Obama's "favorite" Republican governor) just as we hope to survive Obama's reign.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/blog/2014/12/haslam-tdot-not-lawmakers-should-have-final-say-on.html?ana=fbk

 

 

 Im not sure who you mean there in the red..?  I won't lie and pretend to get the relevence of the link re: highway projects?

I agree though and if we do survive, the long term, lasting damage implemented by this current administration is just as bad as if he was emporer for ever

I have one move left in me. I need to make sure we kand in the right state. So far, I beleive that is TN but stuff like this makes me nervous. I know no where will be perfect, here on earth but I'd like to live in a state with strong constituional protection of my hunting and gun ownership rights and a people and lawmakes with the balls to back it up.

 

 

 

As Mayor of Knowville Haslam was a proud card carrying member of Bloombergs "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" which is no different than Mothers Demand Action or the Brady Campaign, all radical anti-2nd Amendment organizations whose ultimate real goal is to disarm every citizen in the United States completly. He only quit and "claimed" he didn't know their true agenda after deciding to run for Governor of Tennessee. A tiger can't change their stripes, he's the poster boy for the typical politician who will tell everyone what they want to hear with no intention of following through with what he says most of the time. I know he's signed a few bills but he HAD TO and he knows he had to because he's the typical politician. Put him on a national stage and watch him change again, I am 99.99% positive he's the very RINO that would support and sign some assualt weapons ban in a heartbeat, he's a thin Chris Christy. I do not believe he has much of a chance in a primary to run for POTUS, he would be one of those names at the bottom of the persentage total in the low single didgets which i'm glad. I hope that bafoon lying RINO Christy is right on the bottom of the total with Haslam. My campaign slogan for anyone running against Haslam would be, Make Haslam a Hasbeen.

[Jonnin]

The short answer is that TN has an abundance of "not pro gun" elected officials.  The majority of them are, at best, fence-sitters who will pass NOTHING pro-gun but will also NOT PASS anything that jeopardizes their position, which is any "heavy" anti-gun laws.    We are having a hard time replacing these incumbents --- when a decent candidate actually runs, they lose.

[Hunter444]

WorriedMan and K191145, Thank you for the replys and insight. That is exactly what I was asking. I had NO iodea Haslan was a member of the Mayors group. :down: That is really, really bad as you all know.

   I agree, saying you didnt know the true agenda is either a lie OR a sign of incompetence in that you didn't look into it better before signing on. It definitly shows a lack of concern for gun rights as no one who truely supports the 2nd ammendment would have joined that group in the first place.

[Hunter444]

The short answer is that TN has an abundance of "not pro gun" elected officials.  The majority of them are, at best, fence-sitters who will pass NOTHING pro-gun but will also NOT PASS anything that jeopardizes their position, which is any "heavy" anti-gun laws.    We are having a hard time replacing these incumbents --- when a decent candidate actually runs, they lose.

 

Thank you Jonnin. Not what I want to hear but you are still way ahead of where I am now. My worry is what is ahead for TN 5-10 years down the road.

 

One of the biggest problems here was gun owner apathy.  In the vote, the attendance at the capitol rallys, NRA  membership and support, etc. Just a lot of lazy shooters in my opinion. Some of the excuses I heard for not attending rallys were pathetic.  

Above all though the govenor and his stance on things is huge. I do not want to live under a wishy washy rino who will cave to the slightest preasure from anti gun forces. That is really no different that living with a Full blown Liberal progressive democrat which is what I have now. 

Edited December 6, 2014 by Hunter444

[K191145]

WorriedMan and K191145, Thank you for the replys and insight. That is exactly what I was asking. I had NO iodea Haslan was a member of the Mayors group. :down: That is really, really bad as you all know.

   I agree, saying you didnt know the true agenda is either a lie OR a sign of incompetence in that you didn't look into it better before signing on. It definitly shows a lack of concern for gun rights as no one who truely supports the 2nd ammendment would have joined that group in the first place.

 

Not really different than politicians from decades past, still the same ol "good ol boys network", the same club that all the Clements, Blantons, Alexanders belong to. I'm not worried about any anti-gun legislation ever being passed in Tennessee, they know they have to be re-elected in Tennessee. I'm pretty sure decades ago the popular Senator Al Gore from Tennessee actually had an "A" rating from the NRA. Once he became Vice President on the national stage and "ASSUMED" he didn't have to be concerned with what all us Tennessee hillbillys thought anymore, he showed his true colors of a socialist liberal. We all know very well his assumption was wrong when us Tennessee hillbillys rejected him in the 2000 Presidential election which was the deciding factor, not Flroida, in him loosing. 11 electorial votes from his own state would have given him the election but they went soundly to his opponent. I would hope that some of these other back scratching politicians would have learned a lesson from that but I didn't and wont hold my breath on that. Senators and Congressmen still have to vote the way their constituents want them to vote or they are in danger of early retirement as we saw in the last election and we should see today in Louisiana.

Edited December 6, 2014 by K191145

[Hunter444]

 

I'm not worried about any anti-gun legislation ever being passed in Tennessee, they know they have to be re-elected in Tennessee.

 

Man, I hope your right.

All it can take is a school shooting, like happened here. One dysfunctional kid from a dysfunctional family decides to kill people.

Edited December 7, 2014 by Hunter444

[Worriedman]

I wonder says I, I do, if the restaurant Carry Bill were to be proffered in today's GA, if it would have a chance of being passed, and the veto overridden? (Make no mistake, if it was passed currently, which I do no think there is a chance it would, Haslam would veto).

Current speaker of the House voted against it 4 times, twice on passage and twice to not override the governor's veto.

That particular Bill was passed with a smidgen over 50% Republicans in the House, had they then held the "Supermajority" it would never gotten out of committee.