Never seen a bullet do that before!

[HvBikeWlTravel]

Federal 165 gr. .45 ACP Guard Dog Ammo is interesting.........................and effective. Wish I could post pictures.

[TrickyNicky]

Boy, this thread really delivers! :rofl:

[Joe357]

OK I'll bite

[HvBikeWlTravel]

Boy, this thread really delivers! :rofl:

Well, I guess I coulda said, has anyone tried the Fed. 45 Guard Dog Ammo?

 

I'm not gonna jump thru the hoops to post pics, but I saw 3 different videos on U-Tube for those that are interested.

IF you're looking for reliable defensive ammo with minimum penetration I would say take a look at those Vids. 

[Caster]

Not impressed.
It's another case of "Solutions to nonexistent problems"
Why these ammo companies constantly try to ice skate up hill is beyond me.

High velocity low mass is garbage for close range self defense. Plain and simple truth, Holes kill stuff. Slow and heavy penetrate. It is beyond contestation that a heavy slow bullet will penetrate and penetrate well.
165g @ 1100+ fps will never penetrate like the traditional 230g bullet @ subsonic speeds. I don't even like the .45 acp cartridge but it is undeniable that it supremely proficient at putting holes in scumbags. Large holes bleed. Blood loss causes death. Increase the size and number of the holes; expedite the process.

[Caster]

Well, I guess I coulda said, has anyone tried the Fed. 45 Guard Dog Ammo?
 
I'm not gonna jump thru the hoops to post pics, but I saw 3 different videos on U-Tube for those that are interested.
IF you're looking for reliable defensive ammo with minimum penetration I would say take a look at those Vids.

What does minimum penetration get you? Other than a failure to stop a threat that is?

[mikegideon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wywf-XS3rFM

[Oh Shoot]

They're purty, all chromey lookin and all,  I'll give 'em that.

 

- OS

[leroy]

Caster is right.... Bullet diameter and penetration is preferable to some foolish baloney about minimum penetration.... There's a reason why the african white hunters used big, powerful rifles on dangerous game... Big wound channel and extensive penetration...

 

bawana leroy

[JeffL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wywf-XS3rFM

 

I'll stick to a 230gr Gold Dot.

[Motasyco]

It looks like some of that vampire ammo.....or maybe it's werewolves, I forget.

[HvBikeWlTravel]

What does minimum penetration get you? Other than a failure to stop a threat that is?

 

Answer: Full transfer of energy to the target. I've never hunted in Africa so I guess I'll shoot what best serves my purpose and you're welcome to do the same.

And since it's question time; what does over-penetration get ya?

Edited October 22, 2014 by HvBikeWlTravel

[VERO1]

A hole in the wall?

[gregintenn]

Answer: Full transfer of energy to the target. I've never hunted in Africa so I guess I'll shoot what best serves my purpose and you're welcome to do the same.

And since it's question time; what does over-penetration get ya?

An entrance wound AND an exit wound.

 

I'll stick with the tried and true 230 grain fmj.

[bersaguy]

Answer: Full transfer of energy to the target. I've never hunted in Africa so I guess I'll shoot what best serves my purpose and you're welcome to do the same.

And since it's question time; what does over-penetration get ya?

Well, lets see!!  Over penetration 1 round three holes , one entry, one exit , one wall entry. Two rounds  6 holes and so on and so forth. You get the idea, I'm sure......................................jmho

[Grand Torino]

An entrance wound AND an exit wound.

 

I'll stick with the tried and true 230 grain fmj.

Eggs....actly.

[Omega]

All these gimmicky rounds only succeed in separating you from your money.  I once fell for it, but lately I just stick to any decent hollow point round such as the gold dots already mentioned.  In an SD situation, I am not really worried about  over-penetration, just putting steel on target.  It has already been shown that you need at least enough penetration to reach the vitals no matter at what angle it takes to get there, FBI uses 12", and it needs to do permanent damage.  Many hollow point accomplish that without fanfare.  Also I have enough SD rounds that I never need to buy anymore.

[Caster]

Answer: Full transfer of energy to the target. I've never hunted in Africa so I guess I'll shoot what best serves my purpose and you're welcome to do the same.
And since it's question time; what does over-penetration get ya?

Energy transfer, hydrostatic shock & and all the other misnomers are hokum and myth. People and animals die from either blood loss or severing the nervous system.

Over penetration is a VERY valid concern though.

[LngRngShtr]

a lot of folks never went home after stepping in front of a .45 or 9mm round nose / ball round not that I'd volunteer to step in front of any round but as far as "proven"  performance well, kinda hard to stack up against over lets say......500 years.   Hollow points etc. are nice but if you are relying on expansion in a variable medium target to get the job done in the event you ever need to stop someone/something well maybe a lottery ticket might be a surer bet.

 

like real estate it comes down to location,location location  most projectiles travel plenty fast enough to stop someone/something if it is hit properly

 I will give you that a bigger round has more room for error though, I left the caliber/gun argument years ago

 

 Always believed it better to save money and invest time and effort in anatomy lessons,situational awareness and marksmanship practice

 

John

[TMF]

Over penetration is a VERY valid concern though.

Not if you have three Nazis standing in line.


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[luvmyberetta]

It looks like some of that vampire ammo.....or maybe it's werewolves, I forget.

 

I think the ammo is for werewolves. Only Hollywood & teenagers who can't act their way out of a wet paper bag can truely kill vampires. :surrender:

[Jonnin]

Not impressed.
It's another case of "Solutions to nonexistent problems"
Why these ammo companies constantly try to ice skate up hill is beyond me.

High velocity low mass is garbage for close range self defense. Plain and simple truth, Holes kill stuff. Slow and heavy penetrate. It is beyond contestation that a heavy slow bullet will penetrate and penetrate well.
165g @ 1100+ fps will never penetrate like the traditional 230g bullet @ subsonic speeds. I don't even like the .45 acp cartridge but it is undeniable that it supremely proficient at putting holes in scumbags. Large holes bleed. Blood loss causes death. Increase the size and number of the holes; expedite the process.

 

well, almost.  Fast and heavy works great too.  For example a 44 mag with a 300 grain slug is without argument > a 45 acp in terms of "physics".   Its not that slow and heavy penetrate --- its that heavy penetrates, and non-magnum rounds with heavy loads are unable to go fast.   But more or less what you said -- fast and light are unimpressive for anything other than paper, where the light bullet shoots flat and costs less per go :)

[quietmike]

The only exotic round I've seen that I would actually buy is Lehigh's maximum expansion rounds.

I'll stick to Cor-bon DPX though.

[gl19gobang]

Well if fast and light is uneffective, then I guess rifles are uneffective.

[Jamie Jackson]

I'm in the : placement, placement, placement with a proven reliable round category.

 

The only "exotic" round wound I've seen was many years ago when Glaser Safety rounds came out...old flat point style in .38 or .357...not really sure. But the guy that was shot had a light jacket on, the shot was by an Officer at close range into the chest. The very superficial surface wound was darn nasty, the ribs were visible, but there wasn't any penetration into the chest cavity.

Did it stop the aggressive action towards the officer? Yep...but only because the aggressor chose to stop.

 

I stay with traditional rounds, like Gold Dot. Accurate shot placement into the correct place with deep enough penetration seems the best bet for me.

 

 

No dissing your post HV, just an observation and an opinion. :2cents: