Welp...It is now here folks...ebola

[Ted S.]

The only thing that scares me about ebola is how disgusting most people can be without realizing it.

Edited October 8, 2014 by Ted S.

[Sam1]

This is 2014; you would think the CDC could say if this is an airborne disease or not. It sure is beginning to look like it may be.

 

You would think they would be smart enough to put an effort into keeping it from crossing an ocean too.

[BrasilNuts]

Now they need to make fliers and air drop them all over the infected countries so they see that we don't have a magic wand that can save them.

My thoughts exactly.

I was afraid that if he survived we would be over run with infected people, we still might be...

[Ron_TN]

This is 2014; you would think the CDC could say if this is an airborne disease or not. It sure is beginning to look like it may be.

 back up...............read my post........it is like aids .....spread through body fluids

[Oh Shoot]

 back up...............read my post........it is like aids .....spread through body fluids

 

Much easier than AIDS though.

 

Saliva, snot, blood, and semen can transmit it. They just don't count as "airborne" when coughed, sneezed, or puked, onto victim, who can get it from ingesting, touching hands to external mucosa like eyes, too apparently.  Unlike AIDS, almost certainly doesn't have to go only "blood to blood" or "fluids to blood" as it were.

 

Still harder to catch than the flu, of course, most strains of which really are truly airborne (meaning, aerosol suspension mist of <5 micron particles).

 

And that's the thing, the CDC has not been forthcoming about what "airborne" really means in the biologic lexicon -- most think that sneezing and coughing, maybe even projectile vomiting is "airborne" because it travels though the air, so that it can't be transmitted that way. Which is almost certainly totally false.

 

All that said though, all the Ebola strains are poor candidates for any kind of real epidemic except in countries where there are still more folks dying from bad water, malaria, and any number of maladies than Ebola daily in the first place. Hell, a lot of them don't even die from the Ebola directly but from the dehydration/electrolyte depletion associated with the dysentery part of it, something not faced here it you get it either. Same as with cholera, which is almost 100% survivable with simple treatment, but something like 60-70% fatal without it, 'bout same as this strain of Ebola.

 

Now here, if S ever HTF bad enough for social services and sanitation to fail widely, that's when we'll see all the Biblical disease plagues return, and with a vengeance. That's the part of EOTWAWKI that folks don't consider, and almost certainly the most lethal overall.

 

 

- OS

Edited October 9, 2014 by Oh Shoot

[tnguy]

I seem to recall that there's a balance. If a virus is too deadly and too easily transmissible, it will quickly become limited and die out quickly. Ebola is pretty deadly, pretty quickly so if it did somehow become truly airborne, it wouldn't be particularly successful and wouldn't wipe out huge amounts of people. The death toll would be quite nasty though and there's no accounting for stupidity (particularly from the government) making things worse.

 

If you ever had any prepping inclinations, now is the time. Incubation period is typically 8-10 days and death occurs 8-9 days after that (with some wide variations on both). You can go three weeks without food but only a few days without water. You don't want to be rubbing shoulders with people waiting for FEMA to hand out water bottles.

Edited October 9, 2014 by tnguy

[Oh Shoot]

If you ever had any prepping inclinations, now is the time. Incubation period is typically 8-10 days and death occurs 8-9 days after that (with some wide variations on both). You can go three weeks without food but only a few days without water.

 

How's prepping gonna help, unless you just mean hole up if it becomes airborne? And even so, if contracted, about all you could do is treat it like cholera if you had to handle it yourself. That would keep you from dying from the vomiting/dysentery part, hedge your odds some.

 

And btw, how many preppers know the simple treatment for cholera and have the ingredients on hand in quantity? If SHTF enough for sanitation to break down long enough, cholera will be a given. One of the oldest and most common scourges of mankind.

 

- OS

Edited October 9, 2014 by Oh Shoot

[Sam1]

How's prepping gonna help, unless you just mean hole up if it becomes airborne? 

- OS

 

viola!

[Oh Shoot]

viola!

 

Scariest part of that? You won't know until about 3 weeks whether anybody you holed up with has it or not! :panic:

 

- OS

[Wingshooter]

Well, I'm out here in Dallas of all places for work. Steering clear of any stray body fluids!!

[Oh Shoot]

Well, I'm out here in Dallas of all places for work. Steering clear of any stray body fluids!!

 

Can take some of the fun out of life that way though. :dirty:

 

- OS

[Wingshooter]

:rofl:

[fourteentwo]

and possible new case.. this time LEO

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/10/08/Texas-Patient-Shows-Signs-of-Ebola-May-Have-Had-Contact-With-Duncan

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/10/186017-man-checks-hospital-contact-ebola-patient/?utm_source=dailynewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=%7BCAMPAIGN_ID%7D&listID=%7BlistID%7D

LEO was in the apartment of.the first patient Edited October 9, 2014 by fourteentwo

[Caster]

In it's current form, it doesn't scare me too bad. Viruses mutate, it's just in their nature. Going airborne or something else entirely scares the poop outta me.
You can write everything I know about biology on a BB with a wide tip marker, but to think it couldn't happen is a fools game.

I've told everyone around here, constant vigilance with regards to what you touch and come into contact with. It's all but impossible to become a shut in xenophobe but wash those hands fellas! Every vehicle, every child's school bag, every woman's purse, etc should have a bottle of hand sanitizer in it and it should be used often.

I don't want my paranoid delusions to swan dive into the pool of tin foil hattery but this could easily get very very nasty. It might not be the zombie apocalypse of Glenn Mazzara or George Romero but it could very well be the zombie outbreak of the real world.

[hipower]

In it's current form, it doesn't scare me too bad. Viruses mutate, it's just in their nature. Going airborne or something else entirely scares the poop outta me.
You can write everything I know about biology on a BB with a wide tip marker, but to think it couldn't happen is a fools game.

I've told everyone around here, constant vigilance with regards to what you touch and come into contact with. It's all but impossible to become a shut in xenophobe but wash those hands fellas! Every vehicle, every child's school bag, every woman's purse, etc should have a bottle of hand sanitizer in it and it should be used often.

I don't want my paranoid delusions to swan dive into the pool of tin foil hattery but this could easily get very very nasty. It might not be the zombie apocalypse of Glenn Mazzara or George Romero but it could very well be the zombie outbreak of the real world.

 

Completely agree with you, Caster. My wife is a nurse and has been telling me tales of really nasty things that already here. This really scares her.

 

And the Entero Virus is another that causes both of us concern. This has spread pretty much all across the nation, with little understanding of its orgins.

 

Edit and Addendum: If I were a really hardcore tin hat sorta guy...I'd really have consider that the best way to immobize and panic a country would be a virus that attacked children. Stop the "Great Satan" by hitting the next generation.

 

Good way to reduce the population and reduce possible future fighters. :stunned:  :squint:

Edited October 9, 2014 by hipower

[Caster]

Ive been hearing about that one too. Never heard of it.
Rhetorical question: Just how many nasty viruses ARE there that we've never really heard of?

Scary times.

[Sam1]

 

 

And the Entero Virus is another that causes both of us concern. This has spread pretty much all across the nation, with little understanding of its orgins.

 

 

 

Unvaccinated immigrant children that stormed across the border this year?

 

And you can just ship the Nobel to me, no reason for a ceremony.

[hipower]

Unvaccinated immigrant children that stormed across the border this year?

 

And you can just ship the Nobel to me, no reason for a ceremony.

 

Exactly! Bring in all kinds of surprises that way. And our "border security" just turns a blind eye to all this it seems.

[hipower]

Unvaccinated immigrant children that stormed across the border this year?

 

And you can just ship the Nobel to me, no reason for a ceremony.

 

Actually...not stormed entry, but almost brought in by the busload by our benevolent gov't.

[mikegideon]

The big problem, as has been mentioned by some folks on the TV... this thing could quickly overwhelm the system. You had one sick African, and look at all the resources it took just to track the exposures from him. What if that turns into 50, and they have to track 50 people for each one of them. This could snowball in no time, especially with the Incompetent in Chief driving the bus.

[Sam1]

The big problem, as has been mentioned by some folks on the TV... this thing could quickly overwhelm the system. You had one sick African, and look at all the resources it took just to track the exposures from him. What if that turns into 50, and they have to track 50 people for each one of them. This could snowball in no time, especially with the Incompetent in Chief driving the bus.

 

Yep, they said it took less than 1 hour to exhaust all resources of the Dallas health department when that was confirmed.

[Hozzie]

I saw Jessie Jackson with one of the guys relatives leaving the hospital.  Maybe there is a possible bright side to this after all......

Edited October 9, 2014 by Hozzie

[mikegideon]

I saw Jessie Jackson with one of the guys relatives leaving the hospital.  Maybe there is a possible bright side to this after all......

 

That sumbitch needs a double dose of ebola

[Oh Shoot]

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/10/186017-man-checks-hospital-contact-ebola-patient/?utm_source=dailynewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=%7BCAMPAIGN_ID%7D&listID=%7BlistID%7D

LEO was in the apartment of.the first patient

 

Just reported, he tested negative.

 

Ya know, seems the real and present danger here is if Ebola takes hold in Central America/Mexico. All this airline screening is for naught when the infection can just freely walk in like now. And there would likely be a flood as folks flee the disease or come here for the free treatment they know they'd get.

 

Hell, maybe it would be a good thing overall, might finally be forced to actually close the border, politics be damned, eh?

 

- OS

Edited October 9, 2014 by Oh Shoot

[mikegideon]

Just reported, he tested negative.

 

Ya know, seems the real and present danger here is if Ebola takes hold in Central America/Mexico. All this airline screening is for naught when the infection can just freely walk in like now. Hell, maybe it'll be a good thing, might finally be forced to actually close the border, politics be damned, eh?

 

- OS

 

More likely that there will be a bunch of ebola juice swimming in the Rio Grande, as a result of concerned citizens closing the border themselves.