As posted elsewhere...

[molonlabetn]

Makes me want to build a tactical, short-barrelled black-powder muzzle-loader...

[TGO David]

Makes me want to build a tactical, short-barrelled black-powder muzzle-loader...

Quad rail with primer dispenser?

[TGO David]

I'm moving this thread to the General Off-Topic forum considering the direction it has taken.

[strickj]

Quad rail with primer dispenser?

Could this work?

[TGO David]

Could this work?

With some 300mph tape, I bet it could.

[TripleDigitRide]

I would welcome an alliance with GGC if such a thing is possible.

I know we have a few members who have a close relationship with GGC, maybe they would be willing to look into this for us.

[bukowski548]

Well from their response, I'm guessing we're getting the big F.U.!

You know I'm only interested in modern (if you can call an AK that) firearms, but never once did I consider pointing fingers or making fun of anyone for it. I didn't even use the term "Fudd" until I was already pissed enough to just leave. I guess I'm a live-and-let-live kinda guy.

Maybe it was that tolerance and respect for others that I was learning when they were teaching "muzzle up".

Tungsten, tell these folks good luck finding a new range, and a new attitude.

buk

[DRM]

#1 seems like an inherently bad idea to me given that Sir Isaac Newton's laws stated centuries ago that what goes up must indeed come down. In the event of a negligent discharge, a round fired skyward would potentially result in damage or injury to personnel or property whereas a round fired into the ground stops there with minimal hazard to anyone but the firearm's operator.

Ah, but I view it like this:

The odds are greater in the event of a fired round that i can get under cover of a *falling* round faster than I can move my foot/leg out of the way of a fired projectile.

EDIT: Well, it seems the original question was a loaded one, and I stepped right in front of it. That's what I get for not reading all the way down, *and* between the lines...

Edited October 21, 2008 by DRM

[TGO David]

Ah, but I view it like this:

The odds are greater in the event of a fired round that i can get under cover of a *falling* round faster than I can move my foot/leg out of the way of a fired projectile.

But if your legs or feet are in the way using position SUL, you're carrying it wrong and aren't controlling the muzzle properly.

EDIT: Well, it seems the original question was a loaded one, and I stepped right in front of it. That's what I get for not reading all the way down, *and* between the lines...

No worries. I actually have far less of a tolerance for a negligent or accidental discharge, being muzzle raked, etc. than some people do. Most people seem to think that having an ND is sort of like having a wreck if you ride a motorcycle. They view it as being statistically inevitable. I view it as being the product of carelessness and complacency involving implements (firearms) that have a zero-degree margin of error.

If the OHCG feel that muzzle-up is safer than muzzle-down, then it is accurate to say that I even have less of a tolerance for it than they do since I prefer to mitigate the potential for collateral damage by ensuring an ND goes into the ground immediately before me instead of: up into the sky where it will return God knows where, off into the trees, into a bystander, into my own body, etc.

Of course, I was in kindargarten when most of those guys were shaping their blackpowder rifles on anvils and scrimshawing mastadon tusks for decorative butt-stocks, so what the hell do I know.

[molonlabetn]

I'd rather be shot in the foot than in the head... may be an even simpler way to put it.

[TGO David]

Metaphorically speaking, I've shot myself in the foot plenty of times. It doesn't hurt so bad.

[DRM]

I'd rather be shot in the foot than in the head... may be an even simpler way to put it.

Shooting yourself in the head with a rifle takes mad skillz - which is why I'd rather see a rifle pointed up than down

I think on a handgun - I'd be more inclined to go with the ground option.

That's the ticket - we need different rules for long vs. short guns!the AWESOME solution to clarifying the situation !

Edited October 21, 2008 by DRM

[DRM]

BTW, I'm laughing to myself right now, picturing people walking around talking with each other at the OHGC which holding their rifles outstretched and upright like Saddam pictured above

[TGO David]

Shooting yourself in the head with a rifle takes mad skillz - which is why I'd rather see a rifle pointed up than down

Not with a short barrel carbine. The sling points on my SBR would make it a fairly dangerous proposition to throw it over my shoulder and carry it in that manner. I'll try to get my wife to take a picture of me doing so tonight with the rifle unloaded just so that it's easier to visualize.

[molonlabetn]

Shooting yourself in the head with a rifle takes mad skillz - which is why I'd rather see a rifle pointed up than down

I think on a handgun - I'd be more inclined to go with the ground option.

That's the ticket - we need different rules for long vs. short guns! AWESOME!

Shooting somebody else in the head, or being shot in the head by somebody else would be the more likely concern...

[DRM]

Shooting somebody else in the head, or being shot in the head by somebody else would be the more likely concern...

I'd feel a lot dumber if I shot myself

[Guest Mugster]

If you shoot a bullet into the ground at a 45 degree angle it could bounce and kill somebody. I don't care either way, just don't point a live muzzle directly at somebody. An ND or an AD, or whatever, using the live range concept is bad mojo.

What does OHCG stand for anyway?

[Guest Papabear]

Just curious but are people walking around OHGC with loaded rifles? I thought all guns were loaded and unloaded on the firing line.

[TGO David]

OHGC = Owl Hollow Gun Club

[TGO David]

Just curious but are people walking around OHGC with loaded rifles? I thought all guns were loaded and unloaded on the firing line.

I have no idea if people do that there routinely or not. The few times I have been, yes people were transporting their rifles to and from their vehicles, to and from the pistol pits, etc. I did not stop any of them and inquire as to whether it was loaded or unloaded. One would hope the latter.

My carbine was unloaded, empty mag, bolt locked back, safety on. It couldn't have been any more safe unless I had poured the barrel full of concrete and welded the action shut.

[creeky]

It couldn't have been any more safe unless I had poured the barrel full of concrete and welded the action shut.

Buuuuuuut NOOOoooooooo! You just couldn't be bothered to mix a little mortar and pour it down the barrel. For goodness sake man! Think of the children! They're our future! We have to teach them well... and show them all the beauty they possess inside!

[Guest GUTTERbOY]

This thread would be a lot more interesting if I knew the backstory.

[Guest Verbal Kint]

This thread would be a lot more interesting if I knew the backstory.

Try and keep up, noob...

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12368&page=5

[fury2neon]

Wow, I hate I missed all the "fun."

[Guest abailey362]

not sure on the exact story, but i'm pretty sure that chattanooga rifle club had someone intentionally shoot in the air (not an AD but same principle) and it come down in the neighborhood next to the club and strike someone. they were hurt....not too bad, but still brought a lawsuit against them. I looked and couldn't find any info about it, but maybe someone else can chime in.