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[TrickyNicky]

I give up on this thread, half way thru it went to who knows where. From lets go fight isis, to anarchy is supreme. Guess what, nothing is perfect. If it was, we wouldnt have to #### in a damn hole.

You seem to be taking this thread awefully hard. I'd say this has remained really quite civil. You should seriously check out some of the gay threads if you think this is bad.

[Dolomite_supafly]

Well do you think there are any gay ISIS members? And if there is would they carry a Glock or 1911 and then would it be chambered in 9mm or 45 ACP? And the final question is would they carry it concealed or open?

[RC3]

You seem to be taking this thread awefully hard. I'd say this has remained really quite civil. You should seriously check out some of the gay threads if you think this is bad.

Im being sarcastic.( I know its hard to  express sarcasm online, the internets one true achilles heel).  Im extremely bored at work and been laughing at my own jokes for the past half an hour. And I will concur that the civility of the involved parties have not deteriorated. Just trying to see if we can get another shift in thoughts. So we dont stagnate the debate thats going on here. And as far as gathering intel on the  gay threads, no. 

[RC3]

Well do you think there are any gay ISIS members? And if there is would they carry a Glock or 1911 and then would it be chambered in 9mm or 45 ACP? And the final question is would they carry it concealed or open?

.......... Thats a very good question. I mean, they never declare the gender of the 72 virgins. And isnt homosexuality a sin over there just like in the south?  :rofl:

 

I guess isis isnt all that different. 

[Ted S.]

Damn you Nick, three replies in a row involving gay stuff. Now four!

 

:taser:

 

EDIT; RC3's last was in before me, so five.

Edited September 7, 2014 by Ted S.

[RC3]

Damn you Nick, three replies in a row involving gay stuff. Now four!

 

:taser:

Well, it was a shift. An extremely unexpected one. Time to close shop and quit laughing at my jokes before I get hauled off to the looney bin. Then again, how would lesbian isis fighters handle themselves? Now that is a good question.

[TrickyNicky]

Well do you think there are any gay ISIS members? And if there is would they carry a Glock or 1911 and then would it be chambered in 9mm or 45 ACP? And the final question is would they carry it concealed or open?

The gay Isis member would obviously have a 1911 because they're so much prettier. Likewise it would of course be a 9mm and carried openly since this is 2014 and they're here they're queer and their open carrying. Get used to it.

[Ted S.]

Well do you think there are any gay ISIS members? And if there is would they carry a Glock or 1911 and then would it be chambered in 9mm or 45 ACP? And the final question is would they carry it concealed or open?

 

1^st question: Who knows?

 

2^nd question: 45, Glock because they are cheap,.

 

3^rd question: concealed because they are fugly!

 

Full edit because I'm dumb tonight!

Edited September 7, 2014 by Ted S.

[TrickyNicky]

Well, it was a shift. An extremely unexpected one. Time to close shop and quit laughing at my jokes before I get hauled off to the looney bin. Then again, how would lesbian isis fighters handle themselves? Now that is a good question.

I've seen videos of lesbians 'handling themselves' but I think that's best left for another thread ;)

[Oh Shoot]

Well do you think there are any gay ISIS members? And if there is would they carry a Glock or 1911 and then would it be chambered in 9mm or 45 ACP? And the final question is would they carry it concealed or open?

 

 

I thought open carry was listed in DSM as synonymous with latent homosexuality? And doing it with a .45 further indicative of unconscious compensation for small penis?

 

 

- OS

[Ted S.]

Downward spiral.

Edited September 7, 2014 by Ted S.

[RC3]

I thought open carry was listed in DSM as synonymous with latent homosexuality? And doing it with a .45 further indicative of unconscious compensation for small penis?

 

 

- OS

So would a compact 1911 indicate a normal sized penis? I am confused by this measuring scale of yours. 

[R_Bert]

This premise has always made me laugh; if this was the case somewhere in some corner of the universe there would be a society where this would exist but throughout history its always some sort of governance that has provided for the good of that society. While the forms of government can be debated as to which is better its hard to say that an anarchist society would provide roads, hospitals etc when none have done so yet.

 

Someone educate me  - While I am aware of anarchists, has there actually ever been a successful society based on it?

[RC3]

Someone educate me  - While I am aware of anarchists, has there actually ever been a successful society based on it?

Nope. Look at communism. It looks amazing on paper, but it falls so short in actual implementation. And plus, it would only work in small clusters. I would say around ten or less individuals. And even then, no guarantee it will last. Due to the immense diversity of the human personality. What makes us each unique, is also what causes us to not have cohesion in large numbers. 

Edited September 7, 2014 by RC3

[mikegideon]

Well do you think there are any gay ISIS members? 

 

Hell no, but they'll all get freaky with a female goat :)

[Ted S.]

Someone educate me  - While I am aware of anarchists, has there actually ever been a successful society based on it?

 

There have been and there are several small anarchist communities all over the world. On a larger scale Anarchism has been mostly conjectural. Most mass Anarchist movements have generally been attacked and defeated by surrounding governments. It never helped that serious Anarchist movements are dependent on non-aggression and non-violence.

Edited September 7, 2014 by Ted S.

[R_Bert]

There have been and there are several small anarchist communities all over the world. On a larger scale Anarchism has been mostly conjectural. Most mass Anarchist movements have generally been attacked and defeated by surrounding governments. It never helped that serious Anarchist movements are dependent on non-aggression and non-violence.

Should have been more specific.  Name a few, please. 

[mikegideon]

So would a compact 1911 indicate a normal sized penis? I am confused by this measuring scale of yours. 

 

It indicates a HUGE penis :)

 

[Ted S.]

Should have been more specific.  Name a few, please. 

 

Here is a decent list that allows you to expand and get more information about quite a few Anarchist communities.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities

[TMF]

I'm not absolving the Congress for how they voted, I'm just saying in the political realm, they were masterfully backed into a corner by the Bush administration.

My issue is that the Iraq war didn't need to happen. We could have kept Saddam in check through various means (sanctions, air strikes, even limited ground incursions like the Israeli's do in Gaza and the West Bank) to protect our interests in the region. He was valuable to us as a regional counter to Iran. But instead, our actions destabilized the entire country and the only way we could have prevented ISIS from being in Iraq would be to have keep enough troops stationed there for a generation.

I will say, the intel that took us into Iraq was cherry picked by Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rummy, ect...to get the desired effect. I can only imagine the conflicting views that never made it to the President's desk for review. I also don't subscribe that Bush was either an idiot or some diabolical genius. He was just pressured into a bad decision by those he trusted presenting him only their side of the story. I do think his "Freedom Agenda" was horribly misguided for that region. The middle east at large is most certainly not ready for democracy.

I concur that President Obama's foreign policy has been a disaster; "if wishes were horses" comes to mind. So, while I agree that ISIS should be on the target deck, I also think it's fair to say our actions 11 years ago are directly related to the reason they are a factor today. But yes, they need to be dealt with. I would just want Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan, ect...put their skin on the line as well, rather than the US and the UK doing it all like we all know is going to happen.

I see your point and agree with 90% of it.

As far as UAE, Jordan and the Saudis, they did put some skin in the game. They just put it on the side of those chopping off American heads.


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[R_Bert]

Here is a decent list that allows you to expand and get more information about quite a few Anarchist communities.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities

 

yeah, I just cruised through wiki's site on general anarchism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

 

Looks like in practice the general trend is for anarchism to quickly shift into fascism or communism.

[TMF]

There have been and there are several small anarchist communities all over the world. On a larger scale Anarchism has been mostly conjectural. Most mass Anarchist movements have generally been attacked and defeated by surrounding governments. It never helped that serious Anarchist movements are dependent on non-aggression and non-violence.

Sounds to me they require powerful allies that will go to war on their behalf, much like other small, indefensible countries.


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[Ted S.]

yeah, I just cruised through wiki's site on general anarchism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

 

Looks like in practice the general trend is for anarchism to quickly shift into fascism or communism.

You're quite right. All examples of real world Anarchism that I am aware of fall under Anarcho-Socialism, or Anarcho-Communism; from the start they were based on an idealistically flawed model.  Often they are overthrown or dissolve within a few years. However, there are a few communes that have lasted for a notable amount of time, and have been very successful according to their own ideals.

 

Most industrialized nations in todays world are largely socialist, and America is the same, but in a different flavor. Socialism has been a large part of our economic model since the 1930's, but has been around on a limited scale in this country for even longer. To think that a government can be successful in todays world is really a measure of whether or not it can sustain more debt, more unfunded liabilities or get through another war, or just hang on for that much longer than the previous model. Socialism is a bad model, but it's most effectively displays the consequences of government interventianalism relating to economic affairs. The middle east has been a very explicit display of government interventianalism into foreign affairs.

 

Totalitarianism is the only reality statists...or really people in general, have in their future if current trends of government expansion and interventionalism continues. The more that people legitimize government, and centralized planning, the more everyone loses. The trend I'm seeing in the world is a mindset of "because this government hasn't worked for us in the past, we should just make it bigger this time, with more rules and more mandated (though various subjective concepts of) equality, and more mandated (though various subjective concepts of) justice" (and much less freedom).

 

And I'm over here thinking....maybe we should all just try something completely different. Something that hasn't been tried before.

 

Anarcho-Capitalism is what I advocate; it's a newer model of Anarchism, but there are quite a lot of other newer factions of Anarchism out there (just as all other ideologies). Anarcho-Capitalism is an eleutherophobes nightmare; it's the free-est natural point a person could theoretically be if they are conscious and responsible enough to live with that freedom. It's purely conjecture just as any other ideal is, but so is a functioning government that  works to the benefit of all people, or to the least, a functioning government that coerces its citizens as little as possible. It's as fanciful to think that that utopian standard such as this may exist,  as it is to think that a government in todays world can last for more than a couple hundred years (or even decades at this point) without massive failures, total regime changes, or some other major social/ideological schism that for all intensive purpose marks distinguishably new government.

 

 

Sounds to me they require powerful allies that will go to war on their behalf, much like other small, indefensible countries.


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Or just for government to leave them alone like intended. But government will always have the interest of serving itself at the cost of others. Non-violence, individual rights, and private property are too much to ask for, and are incompatible with government. As long as one government exists on this planet, real freedom will be theoretical.

 

 

I will save this thread from my excessive ramblings about how the government is essentially a made up fairytale/nonexistent/nonphysical entity that its followers/worshippers act out to make "real", because this thread is bit off topic.

 

****Moderators, please feel free to modify/remove this if needed. I've worded it as carefully as a could without scrambling my train of thought, but I realize Anarchy is also an extremely unpopular concept and that I do not own this site. :)

 

And now back to the other thread twist about the gay ISIS members carrying what kind of handgun, at what popular caliber, and whether they would do so open or concealed.

[Fourtyfive]

It indicates a HUGE penis :)

And if that pistol were to be compensated would that be over compensation ? Edited September 7, 2014 by Fourtyfive

[R_Bert]

Ted S., Thank you for a well thought out response.

I am thankful that you and I live in a nation where your dissent may be voiced. Edited September 7, 2014 by R_Bert