Anybody Want to Move to New Jersey?......

[waynesan]

Here is an NRA report by Ginny Simone about Shaneen Allen who was caught with a firearm in New Jersey (for which she had a permit in PA) after crossing the state line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6SIH5ZsKTo

Edited August 18, 2014 by waynesan

[Rightwinger]

Uh, HELL no

[rugerla1]

Uh, HELL no

Ditto!

[tnhawk]

The thought has never crossed my mind.

[Ted S.]

Fuck no.

[mikegideon]

Hell no

[Hozzie]

Fact is, she was at fault.  As gun owners, we have to take responsibility for our actions.  I don't care if they have dumb laws, when I am there, I will abide by them or go in knowing the consequences.  To me, this is just an ignorant (in the literal sense of the word) gun owner that has to learn a lesson the hard way.  Maybe some others will learn from this also.

 

And no, not moving to Jersey (although there are some very nice areas).

Edited August 18, 2014 by Hozzie

[hipower]

No habla englase, senor.

[Joe357]

All I will say is, born there, done that, never again.

I know before you say it: damn Yankee ;)

[cjohnson44546]

Here is my problem...

 

PA has no class requirements.  She was able to buy a gun and get a permit without any requirements to know the law.  She only had the gun for a week when this happened... She assumed her permit was valid everywhere... They should cut her a break, but there are many evil people in this world, and many are in government.

 

Does she have some fault for being ignorant?  Yes... should she go to prison for several years, and be a felon for the rest of her life?  NO!

Edited August 18, 2014 by cjohnson44546

[K191145]

Yea, it was a dumb mistake on her part to take her gun into a totalitarian state but I believe DA's and judges could use a little moral discretion for a decent person and let her off, i'm sure she's well aware not to bring her gun into New Jersey now. They probably wont because many DA's are simply not morally decent people themselves. They don't don't have a single care or thought about putting a decent hard working law abiding person in jail as long as it gets another "conviction" notch on their precious career and a stroke to their narrcissistic ego. I know all are not like that but I do believe many are. They don't give two craps about anyone but themselves, their career, their status in their spoon fed legal society.

Anyway, I have no need or desire to go to New Jersey for any reason, or any other states like it. There's plenty of other places to go and see.

[Troutburger]

Pretty sure I'd rather put my wiener in a blender full of rock salt than force my family to move there! But I've been known to exaggerate lol.

[K191145]

Pretty sure I'd rather put my wiener in a blender full of rock salt than force my family to move there! But I've been known to exaggerate lol.

 

:rofl:  Freakin OUCH man.

[DaveTN]

This is a case of getting all the justice you can afford.

The Judge that denied her pre-trial diversion is the same Judge that approved it for Ray Rice after he knocked his wife unconscious and dragged her into an elevator; he was charged with aggravated assault.

Let’s review… no intent, no violence= no pretrial diversion; Intent, violence= pretrial diversion.

So what’s the difference? Money. I’m sure the Baltimore Ravens could afford a better attorney.

The entire black community is up in arms and protesting because a cop shot a criminal that had just robbed a store and assaulted the owner, while this poor woman is being railroaded by the system. Our society is truly is bad shape.

[greenego]

I lived in New Jersey. 13 LONG months. :squint: Couldn't wait to get out.

[DWARREN123]

I was there from 1981 to 1983 (Ft. Dix), I would never go back!

[Guest Wildogre]

Not sure if my passport is valid for travel to communist countries?

[K191145]

This is a case of getting all the justice you can afford.

The Judge that denied her pre-trial diversion is the same Judge that approved it for Ray Rice after he knocked his wife unconscious and dragged her into an elevator; he was charged with aggravated assault.

Let’s review… no intent, no violence= no pretrial diversion; Intent, violence= pretrial diversion.

So what’s the difference? Money. I’m sure the Baltimore Ravens could afford a better attorney.

The entire black community is up in arms and protesting because a cop shot a criminal that had just robbed a store and assaulted the owner, while this poor woman is being railroaded by the system. Our society is truly is bad shape.

 

I don't know the rules and regs of each state when it comes to HCP or license instructors, if it's mandatory they be an NRA certified instructor or not but the NRA should strongly suggest that a big portion of every HCP class should deal with the law and laws of other states. I know you can't go into detail of every state and their laws but just like the more important aspects of defense training, drill and drill and drill again into them to check for themselves any laws in any states you may be visiting regarding firearms. It doesn't sound like that was a part of this womans class or they made a breif suggestion of it that she forgot. I doubt if the black community will come to her defense because she cared enough to follow the law in the first place and legally carry a gun in her state, was a decent working law abiding citizen that cooperated with police and didn't resist arrest. She would probably be seen as a collaborator with the evil white establishment so the race baiters and opportunists like Sharpton and Jackson will not defend her in any way. Now if she carried without a permit and pulled and pointed her gun on the Jersey police and got herself shot, Jackson and Sharpton along with thousands of protestors would be on the streets protesting.

[Oh Shoot]

.... It doesn't sound like that was a part of this womans class or they made a breif suggestion of it that she forgot. ..

 

No classwork or target test involved with the PA carry permit process.

 

- OS

[K191145]

No classwork or target test involved with the PA carry permit process.

 

- OS

 

Well it's not my place to tell PA. what they should do plus I hate legislating everything that's why I said the NRA could "suggest" discussion of state laws in classes. I remember that being a pretty big part in my class many moons ago. I'm also for constitutional carry, I often kringe when I hear the word "mandatory" on just about anything these days.  I just wish that people who want to carry or even just buy a firearm for home protection would have some reading material, DVD, and really take a voluntary class on safety, defense and defense scenerios, and state and federal laws.

I've had this idea, it's one of those if I were a billionair pipe dreams that I would produce a video on cheap DVD's to be "given" to anyone who buys a firearm, handed out at gun shows and other venues to any and everybody that will take one. It will have celebrities like Joe Mantegna and some other gun celebs like Jerry Miculek and some youtube guys like Hickok45 to make the video entertaining so people would watch it. It would cover safety(safe handling), how firearms basically work, safety, firearms storage from children, safety, defense and scenerios, safety, give information on how to check their state laws, federal laws and also safety if I didn't mention that already. I wouldn't make it too long so not to loose the viewer, It would have a serious message mixed with some humor and entertainment, some cool exibition shooting from Jerry but mainly a basic education video about firearms, handling, defense situations, storage, laws and how to find them and firearm safety. I maybe wrong but I bet you could produce mass amounts of DVD's pretty cheap, that is like the cost of a single DVD to a person, a firearms dealer could tack on $1 per purchase, or just give it free if they buy a $400+ firearm. If you had the right people in it to make it entertaining and interesting and not just some boring educational video I bet alot of people would watch it.

Edited August 21, 2014 by K191145

[JayC]

Do it today...  but instead of DVD's use youtube...  put together a team to record the video, ask some of those folks to donate time to a good cause...  then hit up local gun shops/gun shows to provide a link to the link with every firearm they sell.

 

You don't need a lot of money, you could produce that video for less than $2000, maybe a lot less.

 

Well it's not my place to tell PA. what they should do plus I hate legislating everything that's why I said the NRA could "suggest" discussion of state laws in classes. I remember that being a pretty big part in my class many moons ago. I'm also for constitutional carry, I often kringe when I hear the word "mandatory" on just about anything these days.  I just wish that people who want to carry or even just buy a firearm for home protection would have some reading material, DVD, and really take a voluntary class on safety, defense and defense scenerios, and state and federal laws.

I've had this idea, it's one of those if I were a billionair pipe dreams that I would produce a video on cheap DVD's to be "given" to anyone who buys a firearm, handed out at gun shows and other venues to any and everybody that will take one. It will have celebrities like Joe Mantegna and some other gun celebs like Jerry Miculek and some youtube guys like Hickok45 to make the video entertaining so people would watch it. It would cover safety(safe handling), how firearms basically work, safety, firearms storage from children, safety, defense and scenerios, safety, give information on how to check their state laws, federal laws and also safety if I didn't mention that already. I wouldn't make it too long so not to loose the viewer, It would have a serious message mixed with some humor and entertainment, some cool exibition shooting from Jerry but mainly a basic education video about firearms, handling, defense situations, storage, laws and how to find them and firearm safety. I maybe wrong but I bet you could produce mass amounts of DVD's pretty cheap, that is like the cost of a single DVD to a person, a firearms dealer could tack on $1 per purchase, or just give it free if they buy a $400+ firearm. If you had the right people in it to make it entertaining and interesting and not just some boring educational video I bet alot of people would watch it.

[bersaguy]

I have never lived there but have family there and all of them are looking to move as soon as they can find a place in the South. They are totally unhappy there and most of them grew up there and now they hate it and they are.................... :leaving:

[Hershmeister]

No

[K191145]

Do it today...  but instead of DVD's use youtube...  put together a team to record the video, ask some of those folks to donate time to a good cause...  then hit up local gun shops/gun shows to provide a link to the link with every firearm they sell.

 

You don't need a lot of money, you could produce that video for less than $2000, maybe a lot less.

 

You would have alot of people watch it on youtube but I would still want a DVD, I think some people would rather watch that on a TV screen than their computer.

[Moped]

Hell to the no, on a move to New Jersey!!!  I wish they would leave the Union!!!