Debate!

[Guest GUTTERbOY]

Is it just me, or did McCain come out swinging this time?

He got Obama to say right out loud that people making more money should be taxed more because they could afford it.

He said, "I'm not George Bush. If you wanted to run against George Bush, you should have run four years ago."

[Rightwinger]

Yeah, he has had moments but then he goes back to stumbling over his major talking points and it sounds like desperation. I want this guy to win but GEEZZZZ. Keep hammering some new stuff. There's only about 2 or 3% that are even going to decide on their vote between now and Nov 4. He better drop a bomb soon. He at least opened the door on Ayres and ACORN tonight but he should have kept on about his preacher and asked him outright if he would state his thoughts on religon because that is a large part of what makes up an individual!

Still clinging!

[Guest GUTTERbOY]

Well, I don't think McCain knocked it out of the park by any means, but I do think that he kept Obama on the defensive for most of the night. He may not have routed the enemy, but he controlled the battlespace.

I think it's telling that the NBC folks I'm listening to right now, rather than saying that Obama won, are saying that it's hard to say.

I'm hoping that we see the Obama lead stabilize and even shrink over the next days and weeks.

[TripleDigitRide]

I was glad to see this debate going in a slightly different direction. Even though many of the questions did little more than cover the same subjects as past debates, I felt like they had a chance to explain themselves a little more. They had a chance to possibly correct some of the not-so-true statements that have been flying around about them as of late.

In all honesty, I think Obama has done a much better job. Some of the issues I've had with Obama, I'm not feeling quite so strongly after this debate.

I have very strong beliefs when it comes to gun control, and this has been the main reason I've been behind McCain, but with everything that's going on it the country/world today, I have to prioritize which policies are the most important to me and my family.

Even though gun control is a huge topic for me, it really isn't nearly as important as many of the more crucial topics of the day. Frankly, I find myself leaning more towards Obama, and his stance on gun control is something I think I'd be willing to chance. Like any of the many other policies he will face, just because he wants to ban certian types of guns, that hardly means in a sure bet for him and other gun haters out there.

Just my 2 cents after tonights debate.

[deerslayer]

Frankly, I find myself leaning more towards Obama, and his stance on gun control is something I think I'd be willing to chance. Like any of the many other policies he will face, just because he wants to ban certian types of guns, that hardly means in a sure bet for him and other gun haters out there.

Good luck with your gamble.

[Buzz]

Like any of the many other policies he will face, just because he wants to ban certian types of guns, that hardly means in a sure bet for him and other gun haters out there.

I understand what you are saying. I thought Obama did a respectable job. His main mission was not to make a big blunder and he didn't. Obama is a better speaker and better debater than McCain, so it is hard to imagine a scenario where McCain could really take Obama down in a debate.

However, I do think you are underestimating Obama's ability to push his liberal agenda if elected. Don't forget, the Dems control Congress right now. He could put a serious smack down on the 2nd Amendment if it were a priority.

The question is whether it could be a priority, considering the other pressing issues right now.

Here's my concern - the country didn't get into our current problems overnight. Even if we had Congressional agreement on the right policies, energy, the economy, and education issues are all going to take awhile before things go in a better direction.

Obama knows that there is limited progress he can make in one term on those. 2nd Amendment issues could become a "quick win" taget so that he can generate proof that he accomplished something before the next election cycle.

Don't forget, Obama is from Illinois, a state with some of the worst restrictions on 2nd Amendment issues. When Obama gets to start nominating Supreme Court judges, you can bet that will leave a lasting impression on the Court.

[TripleDigitRide]

Good luck with your gamble.

Fact is, it's all a gamble. These guys can promise the American people everything and then some, but that hardly means they can or will get it done. I simply find myself agreeing with Obama on more issues than McCain at this time, not including Gun Control. I'm buying into the fact that he can get us out of the mess were in better than McCain can.

A house full of guns is going to do little good if you can't afford to feed them, or yourself for that matter. Trust me, I love my guns just as much as the next guy, but I can hardly understand how anyone can believe that guns should be a #1 priority with everything we have going on in the country today.

Bottom line, it's not November, 4th, and my mind is not made up 100%. At this time, I am leaning towards Obama. Knowing myself like I do, it will likely come down to a last minute decision.

[TripleDigitRide]

I understand what you are saying. I thought Obama did a respectable job. His main mission was not to make a big blunder and he didn't. Obama is a better speaker and better debater than McCain, so it is hard to imagine a scenario where McCain could really take Obama down in a debate.

However, I do think you are underestimating Obama's ability to push his liberal agenda if elected. Don't forget, the Dems control Congress right now. He could put a serious smack down on the 2nd Amendment if it were a priority.

The question is whether it could be a priority, considering the other pressing issues right now.

Here's my concern - the country didn't get into our current problems overnight. Even if we had Congressional agreement on the right policies, energy, the economy, and education issues are all going to take awhile before things go in a better direction.

Obama knows that there is limited progress he can make in one term on those. 2nd Amendment issues could become a "quick win" taget so that he can generate proof that he accomplished something before the next election cycle.

Don't forget, Obama is from Illinois, a state with some of the worst restrictions on 2nd Amendment issues. When Obama gets to start nominating Supreme Court judges, you can bet that will leave a lasting impression on the Court.

Very well said, and I agree wholeheartedly.

These are tough times, the toughest I've ever seen in my short lifetime. This will also be the most important voting decision I've had to make thus far, and it's something I have been taking very seriously. More seriously than ever, by a long shot.

Like everyone else, I care about many issues, and it's become quite frustrating to deal with at times. When I step into that voting booth, I want to make what I feel is the best educated decision I can. Either way I choose, it will be a choice I'll have to live with.

[Buzz]

Fact is, it's all a gamble. These guys can promise the American people everything and then some, but that hardly means they can or will get it done. I simply find myself agreeing with Obama on more issues than McCain at this time, not including Gun Control. I'm buying into the fact that he can get us out of the mess were in better than McCain can.

You are absolutely right. There is no binding contract that anyone will live up to campaign promises. Obama sure makes everything sound good.

Here's the two things that really concern me about the Obama proposals.

1) He is telling us that he can increase government oversight in a bunch of areas, offer state-sponsored health insurance, and a wad of other things WITHOUT raising individual taxes for most Americans or going further into debt.

Look.... it is impossible for the government to SPEND more without either TAXING or BORROWING. I don't care what Obama says right now, you are going to pay more in taxes. That will fuel governmental growth, which is nearly impossible to cut back later.

2) A lot of Obama's ideas are just plain Socialism.

Do you really want socialized heathcare? Healthcare issues handled by the same people who brought you the IRS tax code?

Here again, once you start a socialist program, it is almost impossible to privatize it again or eliminate it. Look at Social Security. It was never meant to be the monster it is today, but can you imagine doing away with it?

Don't get me wrong here -- I'm not particularly thrilled with McCain either. My bottom line is that the free market will work through this if allowed to. If we try to rush that with a bunch of government programs, then it will cost us (and our children) a lot more in the long run.

[Almond27]

McCain has to keep swinging alot of people that are undecided are still not sure about either one of them and think Obama may be alittle bit too good to be true. McCain still has a fighting chance in the election, he has to come out with his A++ game and through some heavy blows to Obama. I think he needs to be more Relentless.

[Guest Honest AK]

I was glad to see this debate going in a slightly different direction. Even though many of the questions did little more than cover the same subjects as past debates, I felt like they had a chance to explain themselves a little more. They had a chance to possibly correct some of the not-so-true statements that have been flying around about them as of late.

In all honesty, I think Obama has done a much better job. Some of the issues I've had with Obama, I'm not feeling quite so strongly after this debate.

I have very strong beliefs when it comes to gun control, and this has been the main reason I've been behind McCain, but with everything that's going on it the country/world today, I have to prioritize which policies are the most important to me and my family.

Even though gun control is a huge topic for me, it really isn't nearly as important as many of the more crucial topics of the day. Frankly, I find myself leaning more towards Obama, and his stance on gun control is something I think I'd be willing to chance. Like any of the many other policies he will face, just because he wants to ban certian types of guns, that hardly means in a sure bet for him and other gun haters out there.

Just my 2 cents after tonights debate.

[Guest Honest AK]

I'm surprised more people aren't fed up enough to vote for Barr or Nader.

Sure, it probably seems like a wasted vote since they won't win but the two major parties have gotten way too comfortable. They have turned their backs on us.

Hopefully one day we can vote enough of them out and remind them that they are supposed to serve us and not the other way around.

I want all of you to get up out of your chairs....

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[Guest Grout]

Barr,Nader= cricket sounds from their campaigns.

[Im Neero]

It doesn't matter who you vote for in Tennessee. McCain is going to win here.

[TGO David]

I was glad to see this debate going in a slightly different direction. Even though many of the questions did little more than cover the same subjects as past debates, I felt like they had a chance to explain themselves a little more. They had a chance to possibly correct some of the not-so-true statements that have been flying around about them as of late.

In all honesty, I think Obama has done a much better job. Some of the issues I've had with Obama, I'm not feeling quite so strongly after this debate.

Jesus Christ. Obama did a better job at WHAT? Talking? Stroking your fur and making you feel like he loved you? Give me a ****ING BREAK. Rather than base your decision off of some emotional, knee jerk reaction to what some butter-tongued politician told you on TV, why don't you base it off of something with merit and substance?

Like... oh, I don't know... HISTORICAL EVIDENCE. McCain may not be the best candidate that the GOP could have put on their stump, but by God he's the better candidate between the two jackholes we've been given to choose from.

Given a choice between a smooth talking graduate of the Daley / Chicago machine who has less time on the job in the US Senate than the average McDonald's manager has wearing a tie, and a guy who has spent his entire adult life in service to this country -- and at great personal cost to himself -- I am going to pick the old boring dude with the exemplary military record and 20 something years worth of DOCUMENTED action in Congress.

I'm NOT going to choose the dip**** who voted "Here" the vast majority of times that he called upon to vote Yes or No in the Senate, and who prior to that only had experience as a community agitator on the payroll of a massively Leftist organization in one of the most corrupt cities in the United States.

Jumping Jesus on a waffle cone, son... get a hold of yourself and start using some common sense! Leave the feel-good rhetoric to the women and MAN UP.

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[creeky]

TripleDigitRide,

I admire the fact that you seem to have put a lot of thought into your decision as well as posting what YOU think. That is awesome and admirable.

Everyone has different priorities and different views. While I don't share your view you expressed, I do respect it for what it is... your view and I'm glad you made it known. You'll get no static from me.

When we all go into vote we will be making decisions. Hopefully they will be well thought out ones, where the options have been weighed and it's a choice we can live with after we push the button. I have felt "voters remorse" before and it left a sour taste in my mouth. One that only goes away after the next election.

[TGO David]

Everyone has different priorities and different views. While I don't share your view you expressed, I do respect it for what it is... your view and I'm glad you made it known. You'll get no static from me.

BAH!!! Relativism, my friend... that's relativism! Wrong is wrong. People have tried far too long (and gotten away with it) to rationalize "wrong" as being "right" depending on the circumstances.

It's not Ray-Ray's fault that he axe murdered those people. He was abused as a child.

C'mon man. He has a right to the opinion that Obama is the better man for the job but he's still wrong.

[creeky]

BAH!!! Relativism, my friend... that's relativism! Wrong is wrong. People have tried far too long (and gotten away with it) to rationalize "wrong" as being "right" depending on the circumstances.

It's not Ray-Ray's fault that he axe murdered those people. He was abused as a child.

C'mon man. He has a right to the opinion that Obama is the better man for the job but he's still wrong.

Not saying he is "right"... just that I respect his view... even though I don't agree with it.

In other words... I respect the time he has put into doing the "math", but believe the product of his "Math" is wrong.

Edited October 17, 2008 by creeky

[TGO David]

Not saying he is "right"... just that I respect his view... even though I don't agree with it.

In other words... I respect the time he has put into doing the "math", but believe the product of his "Math" if wrong.

Creeky 2012!!!

[creeky]

Creeky 2012!!!

Make that "Palin/Creeky 2012!"

[PackinMama]

I understand what you are saying. I thought Obama did a respectable job. His main mission was not to make a big blunder and he didn't. Obama is a better speaker and better debater than McCain, so it is hard to imagine a scenario where McCain could really take Obama down in a debate.

However, I do think you are underestimating Obama's ability to push his liberal agenda if elected. Don't forget, the Dems control Congress right now. He could put a serious smack down on the 2nd Amendment if it were a priority.

The question is whether it could be a priority, considering the other pressing issues right now.

Here's my concern - the country didn't get into our current problems overnight. Even if we had Congressional agreement on the right policies, energy, the economy, and education issues are all going to take awhile before things go in a better direction.

Obama knows that there is limited progress he can make in one term on those. 2nd Amendment issues could become a "quick win" taget so that he can generate proof that he accomplished something before the next election cycle.

Don't forget, Obama is from Illinois, a state with some of the worst restrictions on 2nd Amendment issues. When Obama gets to start nominating Supreme Court judges, you can bet that will leave a lasting impression on the Court.

Excellent (and very true) points you made there Buzz! Those are exactly the things I'm afraid of if Obama gets elected.

TDR, don't let Obama smooth talk you into voting for him!! Look up the real facts on both candidates and then decide who you want running our country.

[Guest justaman30]

Lots of good viewpoints and concerns in here and you have all given me fuel for thought as I approach election day. Gun control is important to me (or maybe I should say gun freedom) but so are health care, the economy, national security, etc. Overall I have never been able to trust smooth-talking people in any profession, including politics and car sales. Most of the time, people who sound too good to be true usually are. Obama scares me with his name, his religion (don't be foolish enough to think for a minute he is a Christian), his background, his voting record (or lack of it; he has recorded more absences in the senate than votes!), and his public statements and policy proposals. John McCain is not a debater, or a public speaker. But he is a fighter, a maverick, a mover-and-shaker, and has a solid record to stand on. Food for thought...and what is uppermost in my thinking.

[Guest Honest AK]

Jesus Christ. Obama did a better job at WHAT? Talking? Stroking your fur and making you feel like he loved you? Give me a ****ING BREAK. Rather than base your decision off of some emotional, knee jerk reaction to what some butter-tongued politician told you on TV, why don't you base it off of something with merit and substance?

Like... oh, I don't know... HISTORICAL EVIDENCE. McCain may not be the best candidate that the GOP could have put on their stump, but by God he's the better candidate between the two jackholes we've been given to choose from.

Given a choice between a smooth talking graduate of the Daley / Chicago machine who has less time on the job in the US Senate than the average McDonald's manager has wearing a tie, and a guy who has spent his entire adult life in service to this country -- and at great personal cost to himself -- I am going to pick the old boring dude with the exemplary military record and 20 something years worth of DOCUMENTED action in Congress.

I'm NOT going to choose the dip**** who voted "Here" the vast majority of times that he called upon to vote Yes or No in the Senate, and who prior to that only had experience as a community agitator on the payroll of a massively Leftist organization in one of the most corrupt cities in the United States.

Jumping Jesus on a waffle cone, son... get a hold of yourself and start using some common sense! Leave the feel-good rhetoric to the women and MAN UP.

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The guy with the exemplary military record is also very old. TDR doesn't want to be held responsible for helping an end timer like Caribou Barbie obtain the launch codes.

It doesn't matter who you vote for in Tennessee. McCain is going to win here.

+1

[dralarms]

Jesus Christ. Obama did a better job at WHAT? Talking? Stroking your fur and making you feel like he loved you? Give me a ****ING BREAK. Rather than base your decision off of some emotional, knee jerk reaction to what some butter-tongued politician told you on TV, why don't you base it off of something with merit and substance?

Like... oh, I don't know... HISTORICAL EVIDENCE. McCain may not be the best candidate that the GOP could have put on their stump, but by God he's the better candidate between the two jackholes we've been given to choose from.

Given a choice between a smooth talking graduate of the Daley / Chicago machine who has less time on the job in the US Senate than the average McDonald's manager has wearing a tie, and a guy who has spent his entire adult life in service to this country -- and at great personal cost to himself -- I am going to pick the old boring dude with the exemplary military record and 20 something years worth of DOCUMENTED action in Congress.

I'm NOT going to choose the dip**** who voted "Here" the vast majority of times that he called upon to vote Yes or No in the Senate, and who prior to that only had experience as a community agitator on the payroll of a massively Leftist organization in one of the most corrupt cities in the United States.

Jumping Jesus on a waffle cone, son... get a hold of yourself and start using some common sense! Leave the feel-good rhetoric to the women and MAN UP.

</rant>

Dang man I'm taking you don't like obama very much? LOL

[TGO David]

Dang man I'm taking you don't like obama very much? LOL

I skipped class the day subtlety was taught.