2 MNPO discussing confiscation. Law officers please comment.

[Guest BugsyRegal]

Making a long story short. Went to a LGS here in Nashville, while looking at a certain 1911 (2) mnpo come in and are looking around and talking. After a bit one says we know to come here when confiscation starts. I was drawn back a little! I spoke up and asked if they would actually try to disarm and confiscate from the American citizen? One never answered while giving me the eat crap look and the other said sure if it meant following orders. Needless to say the shop owner was a little in awe as he had a look of like wtf did I just hear? Did I really hear that? My question is dto you if your a po is this normal training now or are they out of line?

[E4 No More]

There are several things here that would be topics for discussion, but I think that you will find that most LEO's will follow orders and let the courts decide whether it's legal or not unless it's obvious to them that it is illegal, (murder as an example). I believe that New Orleans demonstrated that. As far as the discussion is concerned it could have been an inside joke and they were offended that you were "ease-dropping" on a private conversation so one decided to alarm you with his response. It could be absolute fact. You just don't know.

[Guest BugsyRegal]

He wasn't being quiet and obviously didn't mind who heard. The tone of his voice was a good enough reason to know he wasn't joking, unfortunately I can't demonstrate that here. Why even answer me if he wasn't serious? Also the tone thing again with his answer.

[MacGyver]

Welcome to TGO...I think.

[Guest BugsyRegal]

Thanks. I think... ?

[Someotherguy]

You got trolled by the poleese man...Some of these idiot officers like to talk a big game, but in the end, they all know that they don't really stand a chance against the armed populace of this country...they may have some nice tacticool gear at their disposal, but they don't stand a chance in hell of defeating 150 million citizens with firearms<---( a number that most likely rise dramatically once a so called "gun confication" program was initiated )...Remember, the ones that beat their chest the loudest, are typically the ones that know they are at a disatvantage...

 

I get slightly irritated when i see our average citizens talk like they are somehow at a disadvantage when it comes to our local/state/federal govt...I tell people that think this to relax, the govt, most of all, wants us(the people) to go to work. go out and buy stuff, and pay our taxes...A true gun confiscation scenario is about as likely to happen as all of us on here winning the powerball lottery...

[Hozzie]

Thanks. I think... ?

You have been a member since 2011.  You now have 3 posts.  We are a skeptical bunch.

 

While your question may be sincere, we get our fair share of "instigators" coming in with no previous posts who just want to create chaos.  I would recommend that you join in the discussions and earn some respect within the group.  We will probably then be a little more apt to respond with a sincere response.  

 

To your question, ignorance doesn't prevent you from being a cop.  In the end, most will do what they are told unless it is so egregious even Stevie Wonder can see it's wrong.

[Guest BugsyRegal]

I truly understand how both of you feel and respect both of your responses I must also say I'm not saying that I want that to happen. it just caught me by surprise that they would actually even talk about something like that out in the openI have many family friends in law enforcement as my dad was a metro police officer for 20 years I guess that's why I was concerned about it I know where the friends of the family stand but you never can tell about people nowadays as for only having three posts wellI do get on other forums for the most part yes seeing as how this impacts Tennessee I figured this would be a great place to post this and get some reactions and also information

[wileecoyote]

Most people, LEO or otherwise, would just follow orders and attempt to disarm the public if they were faced with unemployment, fines, imprisonment, or any significant threat to their ability to provide for themselves and their family. Many folks will deny this when asked about a theoretical situation, but when the SHTF nearly everyone will do what is best for themselves and take the path of least resistance. Just look at nazi Germany as one very large example. We'd all like to think we are better than that, would never stoop so low or allow others to do so, but when under severe stress or threatened most of us would go with the flow. Of course there would be a few exceptions here and there, but they would be in the minority and would be among the first to be fired, disarmed, and imprisoned.

[Sam1]

Will guess that your sarcasm detector was broken, and when you asked, it was easier for them to ignore it than to get in a debate about it.

[btq96r]

You got trolled by the poleese man...Some of these idiot officers like to talk a big game, but in the end, they all know that they don't really stand a chance against the armed populace of this country...they may have some nice tacticool gear at their disposal, but they don't stand a chance in hell of defeating 150 million citizens with firearms<---( a number that most likely rise dramatically once a so called "gun confication" program was initiated )...Remember, the ones that beat their chest the loudest, are typically the ones that know they are at a disatvantage...

 

I get slightly irritated when i see our average citizens talk like they are somehow at a disadvantage when it comes to our local/state/federal govt...I tell people that think this to relax, the govt, most of all, wants us(the people) to go to work. go out and buy stuff, and pay our taxes...A true gun confiscation scenario is about as likely to happen as all of us on here winning the powerball lottery...

 

Like all things, a potential confiscation would go down on the side on whoever puts forth the most effort. 

 

As to the question of who would fight, it's easy to take down a house when you have a 5 or 10-1 advantage and can cut the power, along with the water to weaken resistance for a few days.  I highly, and I do mean highly, doubt that most gun owners would barricade themselves in their homes with barrels pointed towards the door waiting for the breach.  They would let their homes be searched, give up their guns and would go back to sitting on the couch watching crap shows on cable TV.  The might post some outrage onto Facebook, but that's where it would end.  If it's just you at home, you might take your chances.  But for all those with spouses and kids in the house too, are you willing to let them take your risk?

 

New Orleans is a perfect example of it happening in our lifetimes.  The lawsuit that went against the city will be ignored in the future if a Mayor or Governor feels the need to control a situation again and mandate confiscation.

 

The only hope to fight it would be the Bundy Ranch scenario.  Brining enough folks to meet an armed group and take their weapons will be a lot harder.  Mass gatherings to make the police have to come in en masse would be the only worthwhile resistance.  And even then you have to hope they won't take the step of using military style force to solve the problem.  Though by that point, we would be beyond the looking glass, IMO.

 

Most people, LEO or otherwise, would just follow orders and attempt to disarm the public if they were faced with unemployment, fines, imprisonment, or any significant threat to their ability to provide for themselves and their family. Many folks will deny this when asked about a theoretical situation, but when the SHTF nearly everyone will do what is best for themselves and take the path of least resistance. Just look at nazi Germany as one very large example. We'd all like to think we are better than that, would never stoop so low or allow others to do so, but when under severe stress or threatened most of us would go with the flow. Of course there would be a few exceptions here and there, but they would be in the minority and would be among the first to be fired, disarmed, and imprisoned.

 

What he said. 

 

I have no doubt that majority of LEO's at the local, state and federal local will follow the orders given, even if in contrast to the Constitution.  Like us, they enjoy creature comforts and need to provide for their families.  I'll use the Bundy Ranch again as an example...anybody think those guys ready to go in heavy and quash resistance were far left liberals who think the state should control everything?  Don't ever think somebody's next meal isn't worth violating the law to get.  You may be disappointed otherwise.

[Guest BugsyRegal]

I agree with a majority of what has been said. It just makes me sad and fearful for what kind of life my children might have when I'm gone. Its really disturbing that so many have become so complacent. What disturbs me more is the fact that many would give up their heart felt beliefs just for a paycheck even if they know its wrong deep down.

[DWARREN123]

Something like this happened once before, the British were in charge then.

[hipower]

OK...I'll ask. What shop were you in?

[Guest BugsyRegal]

Just out if curiosity, is anyone here with responses active leo? If so I would truly appreciate your honest opinions and answers as to why you'd support it or oppose the said topic.

[E4 No More]

OK...I'll ask. What shop were you in?

Exactly! What shop was this in?

[Guest BugsyRegal]

Prefer not to reveal the name of the shop due to respect for the owner but I will say its a formidable shop in the Nashville area close to downtown. Edited July 28, 2014 by BugsyRegal

[E4 No More]

Prefer not to reveal the name of the shop due to respect for the owner but I will say its a formidable shop in the Nashville area close to downtown.

Sorry, but I don't get this. NOTHING that you have written would lead someone to believe that the owner of the gun store is responsible for what was said: therefore, you have no reason to withhold that information that I see. I know that I ask out of curiosity. If it were a shop that I frequent I would want to know if these officers were regulars that I might recognize. Since you state that the owner heard it and was shocked I would like them to witness to the story. No offense, but your low post count and the fact that there's two sides to every story makes me reluctant to believe that it went down as you state.

 

To answer you earlier question, I am a former LEO from another state and another decade: however, personality traits of those attracted to LE careers don't tend to change.

[DaveTN]

Under what conditions do you think cops will be going door to door confiscating guns? Because until that scenario happens; how cops feel about it is really unimportant. Don’t use the example of Katina, it is worn out and has been dealt with by law in this state.

I am a former Police Officer and I know cops that would do what they are told and those that would refuse. But why do we care? Edited July 28, 2014 by DaveTN

[Guest BugsyRegal]

With all due respect. You can believe me or not regardless of "low post count". I personally have no stake in the shop as I also shop at a couple others in mt.Juliet and also towards franklin. What shop it was is invalid. Why it was said was? I know what was stated and what I asked. I personally have no gain from fabricating a story as you so claim. You don't have to believe anything nor am I asking you to yet I still haven't gotten a clear answer as to what " you" as a former Leo would do personally if you were still active? Follow orders? Or the constitution?

[E4 No More]

To fabricate a story is one thing; to NOT color a perspective is another. I'm not accusing you of telling a lie to garner attention, but none of us know you well enough to get a read on your personality and thus your perspective.

 

My answer is, (or was), easy: I would follow no order to confiscate a lawful citizen's weapons, or their property in general for that matter.

Edited July 28, 2014 by SWJewellTN

[Guest BugsyRegal]

Dave you would think something as serious as that would definitely be on the minds of leos considering the aweful ramifications if could have on society as a whole. I was not speaking about Katrina at all but its circumstances of chaos with those needing food, water, and protection from thieves and criminal elements preying on those that have those items. Wouldn't it be more logical for people to be able to defend themselves than having to wait for you to arrive assuming you had access to help those individuals? Honestly with a couple of the comments here I can understand why my dad quit after 20+ years on the force. I didn't understand at the time but as I get older its becoming more clear.

[Dustbuster]

The office of the sheriff is usually the one that legally garnishes or seizes property. You asked the wrong guys.The officers encountered probably know better than to comment on a question such as the one made by the OP. As far as taking anything from someone? It's done all the time under certain conditions....legally..... And on that note ......

Edited July 28, 2014 by Dustbuster

[MacGyver]

Now that I've had some time to think about it, I'm shutting this thread down.

 

Basically, this thread was started as "discussion" that can only proceed in the cop-bashing direction, and the OP seems to be looking for that kind of response.

 

To the OP, I'm going to assume no ill intentions, but feel free to search the forum where you can read/participate in threads about confiscation until you've had your fill.

 

In reality, assuming you ever got to confiscation - you'd have LEOs across the spectrum.  You'd certainly have some that would follow orders as given.  You'd have some that would seek employment elsewhere.  You'd have some that would resist following orders.  You'd have some that would outright defy orders and I expect would create real problems. 

 

LEOs are as varied as the population at large.  Trying to jam all of them into one bucket simply isn't possible and it certainly doesn't help any argument.

[MacGyver]

I got a nice thank you note from the OP as well as a great treatise on the first amendment and TGO's support thereof.

 

I usually don't go along with users' requests to remove their accounts, but in this guy's case I expect we're better off.