300 win mag or 6.5 creedmoor for long range shooting

[Guest tangojuliet]

ok me and my father are have a debate so im calling on the help of the internet he wants to go hunting out west going after mooses and elk etc so which one has a flatter trajectory and better ballistic at long ranges 

[Luke E.]

 I think the Creedmoor is a flatter shooting round but I don't know that its the better hunter. 300 Win mag is going to have more powder pushing, potentially, a much heavier bullet which is not to say that the 6.5 can't get the job done. I guess it's going to come down to how far he might be taking a shot.

[Guest tangojuliet]

 I think the Creedmoor is a flatter shooting round but I don't know that its the better hunter. 300 Win mag is going to have more powder pushing, potentially, a much heavier bullet which is not to say that the 6.5 can't get the job done. I guess it's going to come down to how far he might be taking a shot.

see that what i dont know is how far is he gonna shoot also price of ammo is another thing

[atlas3025]

Well, the army has decided on the 300 WM over the 338 Lapua for its sniper system...so it works pretty good!

 

Doesn't mean the 6.5 won't get the job done, but 300WM will definitely get the job done for anything in North America...and most of Africa as well.

 

Having said all that, I greatly prefer shooting my 6.5 Grendel to my 300 WM when all that opposes me is paper.

[MacGyver]

For hunting at range, I'd choose the 300WM.  For paper, I'd likely choose the 6.5.

[Luke E.]

see that what i dont know is how far is he gonna shoot also price of ammo is another thing

 

 I would think that ammo price would be almost a non issue if this is just a hunting rifle or at least mostly a hunting rifle because you'd have to be doing a heck of a lot of hunting for the price difference per round to add up to much at all when compared to the price of the rifle and cost of going on the hunts themselves. Hornady 120gr amax are $26.49 at Midway for the Creedmoor and Hornady 178gr amax for the 300 win mag are $34.49 at Midway so unless he's got a steel shoulder (300 Win mag) and runs through a ton of ammo the savings would be negligible. I have read 2 or 3 articles about hunting with the Creedmoor and the reviews were great but a longer ranges it is going to lose a lot to the 300 Win mag in knock down power due to bullet weight. I'd say that out at 5-600yds on Muledeer size game and smaller the Creedmoor would get it done in style but no matter what the scenario is, if the Creedmoor does a good job of knocking the game down, the Win mag is going to do a better job of knocking it down. Here's another possible factor, recoil, while it's no 50bmg or even .338 Lapua the 300 Win mag is no slouch in the recoil dept so the Creedmoor clearly wins this round if recoil is a factor for your dad. I've not had the opportunity to fire a Creedmoor yet but I have looked at one of the cartridges as well as owned and fired 300 Win mag and I just can't help but think that there would be a massive differences. Bottom line for me though is if I were going after elk or game as large a moose I am going to go with the 300Win mag, hands down. There's was a saying among the drag race crowd, "there's no replacement for displacement" and the Win mag certainly has more displacement and more fire behind it. Last but not least, if your dad needs a hunting partner for these "out west" trips I can sacrifice and make myself available!

[Guest tangojuliet]

 I would think that ammo price would be almost a non issue if this is just a hunting rifle or at least mostly a hunting rifle because you'd have to be doing a heck of a lot of hunting for the price difference per round to add up to much at all when compared to the price of the rifle and cost of going on the hunts themselves. Hornady 120gr amax are $26.49 at Midway for the Creedmoor and Hornady 178gr amax for the 300 win mag are $34.49 at Midway so unless he's got a steel shoulder (300 Win mag) and runs through a ton of ammo the savings would be negligible. I have read 2 or 3 articles about hunting with the Creedmoor and the reviews were great but a longer ranges it is going to lose a lot to the 300 Win mag in knock down power due to bullet weight. I'd say that out at 5-600yds on Muledeer size game and smaller the Creedmoor would get it done in style but no matter what the scenario is, if the Creedmoor does a good job of knocking the game down, the Win mag is going to do a better job of knocking it down. Here's another possible factor, recoil, while it's no 50bmg or even .338 Lapua the 300 Win mag is no slouch in the recoil dept so the Creedmoor clearly wins this round if recoil is a factor for your dad. I've not had the opportunity to fire a Creedmoor yet but I have looked at one of the cartridges as well as owned and fired 300 Win mag and I just can't help but think that there would be a massive differences. Bottom line for me though is if I were going after elk or game as large a moose I am going to go with the 300Win mag, hands down. There's was a saying among the drag race crowd, "there's no replacement for displacement" and the Win mag certainly has more displacement and more fire behind it. Last but not least, if your dad needs a hunting partner for these "out west" trips I can sacrifice and make myself available!

ill keep you mind for the trips LOL but in the end we decided on the 6.5 creedmoor do to the fact of see big game hunters in africa using it we figure if its taking down african game it should do well here in the states for what ever we're going after excluding bear thats were 35 remington and the 303 brit come into play 

[expendable]

When I lived in Montana the smallest caliber that most considered adequate for Elk or Moose was the 30-06.
I have taken 2 elk with a 270 but they were fairly ideal shots, no quartering or long distance shots.

I'm sure the Creedmoor will work, but I wouldn't consider it ideal.

You will have to be cautious and choose your shots well, you'll have to let that 6x6 quartering away in the brush go, because I don't think the Creedmoor has what it takes to make a clean kill in that situation.

Koz

[TM01]

Did some hunting while living in AZ. to include black bear, mountain lion, deer and elk.  Took the .300WM with me and never looked back.  Has a nice range of bullets to shoot and you never have to worry about getting a kill even with a slightly less than perfect shot.  After that it really boils down to personal preference.  Recoil can easily be disapated with a muzzle break and gel type recoil pad.  Even w/o your usually only pulling the trigger once, so man up..lol.

[Guest tangojuliet]

Did some hunting while living in AZ. to include black bear, mountain lion, deer and elk.  Took the .300WM with me and never looked back.  Has a nice range of bullets to shoot and you never have to worry about getting a kill even with a slightly less than perfect shot.  After that it really boils down to personal preference.  Recoil can easily be disapated with a muzzle break and gel type recoil pad.  Even w/o your usually only pulling the trigger once, so man up..lol.

i shoot a nagant with its steel plate i think im man enough but at the same time ballistically speaking 6.5 cartridges are more accurate than 30 in most cases but in the end we plan on shooting quite a bit to familiarize with the rifle  it its great to have knock down dont get me wrong but we figure 6.5 creedmoor will get the job done  

[jeremy67A]

6.5x55mm Swedish !!!

[Clod Stomper]

May I ask why the Creedmore over .260 Remington?

[Guest tangojuliet]

May I ask why the Creedmore over .260 Remington?

[Guest tangojuliet]

The reason being is availablility of ammo and brass is easier to get for the creedmoor as of the moment