Texas open-carry gun groups threaten to leave NRA

[The Legion]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-open-carry-gun-groups-threaten-to-leave-nra/

[TrickyNicky]

We are our own worst enemies.

[Metalhead]

[eRay]

The NRA is probably right this time. Sometimes the best way to preserve our gun rights is to not rub the other sides noses in it.

[TMF]

Maybe those open carry groups need to jettison their members that go trolling for attention. They will never achieve their goals because their members do stupid stuff. As long as they back those clowns they will be defined by them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Hozzie]

That would be the best thing that could happen for the NRA.  I would say "don't let the door hit you in the ass!".  Act like idiots and people will treat you like idiots.

Edited June 3, 2014 by Hozzie

[WindHawk]

I'm sure the NRA is trembling with fear from the threats of a few misfits to burn their certificates, etc.  Probably the best thing that can happen for the rest of the NRA members that respect reasonable behavior.  Guess that I'll need to send a few $$ to Wayne to make up for the loss. :usa:    

[TGO David]

"I personally am an endowment lifetime member of the NRA and an inductee into the Golden Eagles program," C.J. Grisham, president of "Open Carry Texas," told a CBS Dallas affiliate. "And I will rip up my cards and burn my certificates on camera if they don't change their stance."

 

 

[RobertNashville]

Maybe those open carry groups need to jettison their members that go trolling for attention. They will never achieve their goals because their members do stupid stuff. As long as they back those clowns they will be defined by them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If the goals of these radicals are what they claim they are then they are truly stupid as anyone with two working brain cells should be able to see that their in-your-face tactics only serve to thwart their stated goals.  I suspect, however, that their real goal is truly nothing more than looking for confrontation and attention.

 

I believe the NRA is 100% correct in its position on these actions and I hope these people do leave the NRA...the NRA already has its quota of idiots; these don't need these clowns.

Edited June 4, 2014 by RobertNashville

[jbravo]

I never have understood how carrying AR-15's into a restaurant would convince the state of Texas to change their handgun open carry law. I, personally, do not agree that open carry should be illegal. While I normally conceal carry, I don't go to any extra effort to hide it. But to walk into a family restaurant with a rifle is just stupid. Sounds like a good way to get shot by a concealed carrier who might overreact.

[hipower]

Stupid is as stupid does.

Edited June 4, 2014 by hipower

[teecro]

I never have understood how carrying AR-15's into a restaurant would convince the state of Texas to change their handgun open carry law. I, personally, do not agree that open carry should be illegal. While I normally conceal carry, I don't go to any extra effort to hide it. But to walk into a family restaurant with a rifle is just stupid. Sounds like a good way to get shot by a concealed carrier who might overreact.

 

Well that does not shine a glowing light on those who conseal carry either?

[teecro]

If the goals of these radicals are what they claim they are then they are truly stupid as anyone with two working brain cells should be able to see that their in-your-face tactics only serve to thwart their stated goals.  I suspect, however, that their real goal is truly nothing more than looking for confrontation and attention.

 

I believe the NRA is 100% correct in its position on these actions and I hope these people do leave the NRA...the NRA already has its quota of idiots; these don't need these clowns.

 

And now the NRA is backpedaling on their published statement.....

[Guest VJGthe3]

And now the NRA is backpedaling on their published statement.....

 

Supposedly it was "a mistake" by a random staffer...
 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/04/nra-official-disavows-criticism-open-carry-demonstrations/?intcmp=latestnews

[bersaguy]

We are our own worst enemies.

I don't think we are our own worst enemies Tricky. Those appear to be located in Texas at the present time. Of course they do have a valid point to prove. They are just going about it in a Bafoon fashion. What they are doing is dragging all of rest of us in the hole with them. If they have an issue with Texas laws take the issues to the people that can change the laws which is the Texas Legislature. Get the law changed so that hand guns can be open or concealed carry like many other states and this issue would go away. I find it hard to believe Governor Perry has not done that long ago and all of this would not be taking place. This was the exact reason that Doctor that lost her parents in Luby's and she made that point quite clear in her talk with the legislators in Texas back years ago. The law should have been changed back then and wasn't....................jmho  P. S. They do have a conceal permit so it is not like they must be unarmed all together. .............jmvho

[Hozzie]

Supposedly it was "a mistake" by a random staffer...
 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/04/nra-official-disavows-criticism-open-carry-demonstrations/?intcmp=latestnews

 

I may actually write the NRA and say I am disappointed they backtracked.  This actually has me thinking of not giving them another dime and I am an endowment member.  This does not help anyone and in fact just alienates more people like myself.  Discretion is the better part of valor.

 

Edit:  I did send them an email and submitted a response the the NRA-ILA website.  We'll see what they have to say for themselves.  I bet I don't hear a word back.

Edited June 4, 2014 by Hozzie

[R_Bert]

Yep.  They should of held steady.

[E4 No More]

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!!!

 

In the immortal words of Walter, "Dumb asses!" 

[221 Fireball]

I may actually write the NRA and say I am disappointed they backtracked.  This actually has me thinking of not giving them another dime and I am an endowment member.  This does not help anyone and in fact just alienates more people like myself.  Discretion is the better part of valor.

 

I already did. There's nothing tactful about in-your-face politics. What's going to happen is that we "conservative" gun toters are going to lose out to being able to carry anywhere.

 

Why is it we have proper gun etiquette at most sanctioned tournaments, that is, a COLD range, no weapons handling without a range officer's permission on the firing line. Seems we're a well disiplined group in our inner "gun" circles, but you get a bunch of yahoos prancing around in the public with ARs, and that should be okay? I don't know what a guy's intention is with a shouldered AR in public, so why would anyone else? If the same group of OCs came waltzing in any of our cold ranges handling weapons, I guarantee they'd be escorted back out.

[jbravo]

[quote name="teecro" post="1155372" timestamp="1401885438"]Well that does not shine a glowing light on those who conseal carry either?[/quote] Carrying concealed doesn't automatically make one a responsible gun owner.

[bersaguy]

IMHO all these people are doing is playing right into the Anti -Gun people like Feinstein and other anti gun lobbyists plans. They are just giving them more and more ammunition in which to use in the press to show how irresponsible gun owners can be. Like I said earlier that just because they have to right to do this does not mean they have to do it. Drawing all this negative attention to the people that are on the fence about gun issues might very well get pushed off the fence into the anti gun side. The NRA needs to stand it's ground on this issue but appears the have already began back peddling and blaming an under staffer for the comments that came from the NRA. Now all we can do is wait and see how much damage control they will need to do to get this mess straightened out. I guess my last question would be why does a state that was part of the wild west for centuries not have a hand gun open carry permit of all  things and places?................jmho

[Hozzie]

If anyone else wants to contact them, you can do it here:

 

https://www.nraila.org/secure/contact-us.aspx

[raydog1]

And the reversal: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/05/us/nra-backs-away-from-criticism-of-open-carry-advocates.html?_r=0

 

"The article remained on the group’s Institute for Legislative Action website on Wednesday, although the byline, "By the National Rifle Association," had been dropped. Its unsparing language prompted criticism from some N.R.A. members, which led the group to back away from the comments.

“The truth is, an alert went out that referred to this type of behavior as ‘weird’ or somehow not normal, and that was a mistake. It shouldn’t have happened,” Chris W. Cox, the group’s chief lobbyist said in an interview Tuesday on an N.R.A.-hosted program that was posted on the group’s website Wednesday.

 

“The National R.A. supports open carry,” Mr. Cox said. “We support concealed carry. We have led the charge across the county, to not only protect our members’ rights to self-defense, but to expand it.”

 

The association referred phone calls Wednesday to Mr. Cox’s remarks."

 

Personally, I think the original comments were spot-on.  Our strategy has to be a winning one.  Not one that just makes a visual impact.  I can petition my employer for better bathrooms without taking a dump on the CEO's desk.

[JayC]

Good to see Negotiating Rights Away did the right thing and backpedaled on this one.  I'm a lifetime member of the NRA, they keep calling for donations and I keep sending checks to the GOA instead.

 

We need to take a stand and hold the line 100% on all lawful activity with firearms, and work to repeal all unconstitutional laws concerning firearms...  the NRA's track record is piss poor on those points.

[R_Bert]

If anyone else wants to contact them, you can do it here:

 

https://www.nraila.org/secure/contact-us.aspx

 

In keeping with my earlier remarks (I continue to hold the same opinion on OCTX tactics), I registered my disappointment with their reversal. So they heard from another lifer.  I wonder how many lifers it takes to equal a sooper-dooper gold-brick benefactor?

Edited June 5, 2014 by R_Bert