Sarah Palin SEX TAPE revealed!

[Guest Honest AK]

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[Guest Boomhower]

TDR>>>>>Thank you sir....

[TripleDigitRide]

TDR>>>>>Thank you sir....

No problem.

And to the thread starter, I apologize for unintentionally hijacking your thread. I'm sure many have already had enough of all the politics.

[Guest Honest AK]

No worries TDR. I appreciate you sharing your views with us.

[strickj]

Id hit the polar bear

[Reservoir Dog]

Well, I am not sure what extra "powers" Cheney and Palin have said the VP has in the Legislative Branch. Can someone point me to that

info?

Regarding the video clip posted, Biden is also wrong in the duties of the VP in relation to the Senate. Obviously, he has no idea about the Constitution, either.

[Guest Watauga]

Sarah Palin is not a career politician? What other occupation has she had, since becoming mayor of Wasilla in 1996, besides being a politician?

As compared to many members of Congress including Biden, she has has not made a career of politics. Twelve years hardly compares to the 20 to 40 years in the same position in Congress. I just wish she had spent several years as a community organizer before she ran for office. But, I guess Alaskans do not need to be organized.

[TripleDigitRide]

Well, I am not sure what extra "powers" Cheney and Palin have said the VP has in the Legislative Branch. Can someone point me to that

info?

The Constitution clearly states that the VP acts as President of the Senate. While President of the Senate, his/her duties are to certify the vote count of the Elcetoral College, and to cast a vote in the event of a tie in the Senate.

While acting as President of the Senate, the Constitution does not allow the VP to persuade or influence members of the Senate in their decision making. Again, the VP is only there to cast a vote in the event of a tie. This is where Chaney and Palin want to exercise more powers than allowed by The Constitution. Not a good idea, IMHO.

Edited October 4, 2008 by TripleDigitRide

[TripleDigitRide]

Regarding the video clip posted, Biden is also wrong in the duties of the VP in relation to the Senate. Obviously, he has no idea about the Constitution, either.

Can you go into more deatil. I'm not sure where he misspoke.

[Reservoir Dog]

Again, the VP is only there to cast a vote in the event of a tie.

That is not true. Like you stated, the VP's voting rights only apply when there is a tie. However, as President of the Senate, the VP is the presiding officer of the US Senate. These duties are normally ceded to the President Pro Tempore of the Senate, as the VP has other tasks to perform. If you watch the Senate on CSPAN, you will see the duties of the President Pro Tempore, and there is a lot more to it than just the voting. If the VP wanted, he could preside over the Senate whenever he wanted. The President Pro Tempore only takes over these duties when the VP is not there.

Can you go into more deatil. I'm not sure where he misspoke.

Biden stated that the VP can only preside over the Senate when there is a tie vote. That is simply not true. The VP can only vote when there is a tie, but he still has other Senate duties as the President of the Senate, and the presiding officer.

[TripleDigitRide]

That is not true. Like you stated, the VP's voting rights only apply when there is a tie. However, as President of the Senate, the VP is the presiding officer of the US Senate. These duties are normally ceded to the President Pro Tempore of the Senate, as the VP has other tasks to perform. If you watch the Senate on CSPAN, you will see the duties of the President Pro Tempore, and there is a lot more to it than just the voting. If the VP wanted, he could preside over the Senate whenever he wanted. The President Pro Tempore only takes over these duties when the VP is not there.

Biden stated that the VP can only preside over the Senate when there is a tie vote. That is simply not true. The VP can only vote when there is a tie, but he still has other Senate duties as the President of the Senate, and the presiding officer.

While what you're saying is somewhat true, in the context of the debate, I think Biden was clearly attempting to make a point in regards to comments previously made by Dick Cheney, then by Palin. He [biden] was making the point that the VP has Legislative powers, and not the Executive powers which Chaney and Palin want. On top of that, the Constitution clearly establishes limits on those Legislative Branch powers given to the VP.

Even though the VP has some less formal duties, mentioning them during the debate would serve no point. Had they allowed Biden and Palin unlimited time to give anders and resposes, he may or may not have given a bit more detail when describing the VP's duties. I'd like to think that most of us watching were able to understand what Biden was getting at, like him or not.

[Guest Honest AK]

As compared to many members of Congress including Biden, she has has not made a career of politics. Twelve years hardly compares to the 20 to 40 years in the same position in Congress. I just wish she had spent several years as a community organizer before she ran for office. But, I guess Alaskans do not need to be organized.

I think it is safe to say anyone who is running for the second highest political office in the land is trying to make a career of it.

[Reservoir Dog]

While what you're saying is somewhat true, in the context of the debate, I think Biden was clearly attempting to make a point in regards to comments previously made by Dick Cheney, then by Palin. He [biden] was making the point that the VP has Legislative powers, and not the Executive powers which Chaney and Palin want.

Okay, what are we talking about here? Legislative or Executive powers of the VP? The clip posted in this thread points to Biden's comments on the VP's authority and duties as it relates to the Senate. Personally, I could not figure out what in the hell Palin was trying to say in her response.

Again, please tell me what these "powers" are that Cheney and Palin have commented about. I have not heard them. Maybe then I can figure out what we are talking about.

[TripleDigitRide]

Okay, what are we talking about here? Legislative or Executive powers of the VP? The clip posted in this thread points to Biden's comments on the VP's authority and duties as it relates to the Senate. Personally, I could not figure out what in the hell Palin was trying to say in her response.

Again, please tell me what these "powers" are that Cheney and Palin have commented about. I have not heard them. Maybe then I can figure out what we are talking about.

Cheney has been first in line to push for executive authority to override laws against torture and surveillance, and other things. You can easily find a laundry list of examples in regards to Cheney's abuse of VP powers. Google would be a decent place to start. They are countless.

Like I said in my original post, even though I see issuse with the McCain/Palin ticket, unless something really crazy happens, it looks as if they are getting my vote. The less of two evils in my opinion. Mainly because thier stance on the Second Amendment is closer to mine.

Being more of an Independent, I tend to have the ability to look at things a little more objectively than those with more of an alliance to one certian party. I try my best anyway.

[fury2neon]

Cheney was not the first. Jefferson PO'ed Adams by pushing the authority of the VP office and that's why we have the amendment stating that the VP will be of the same party as the President rather than the guy that came in second in the presidential election as the Constitution originally stated.

[Reservoir Dog]

So we are talking about Cheney and Palin wanting to increase the Executive powers of the VP. Correct?

A quick Google search turned up quite a bit of whining about abuses of power by Cheney. Most of the stories were from sources that I certainly would not call bastions of objectivity. Maybe some of these people have a fear of a strong VP, and would rather have Al "The Tree" Gore standing on the sidelines. I'll bet if it was a Dem VP wanting all this stuff, we would not hear half of the complaining. I'll admit that I am not a big fan of Cheney, but I have no problem with a strong VP.

I think the problem lies here: While Article I of the Constitution spells out the VP duties in relation to the Legislature, Article II is quite vague as to the Executive duties/powers of the VP. I would agree that this would allow some flexibility in VP duties. Ultimately, it will be up to the Judiciary to interpret the Constitutional authority of the VP.

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Since we have gone just a little bit off topic, we'll get back to the startling sex tape.

Edited October 5, 2008 by Reservoir Dog

[Guest Honest AK]

There's an ad on Craiglist for a Palin lookalike to do an adult film.

$2,000-$3000

"no anal required"

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/adg/836109998.html

Can anybody think of a good name for the film? How about "Nailin' Palin"?

[Guest GUTTERbOY]

"Wild Wasilla?"

[Guest Honest AK]

That's a good one. How about...

VP on my pee pee?

[TripleDigitRide]

That's a good one. How about...

VP on my pee pee?

That sounds like a VD.

[Guest GUTTERbOY]

That sounds like a VD.

Considering who currently holds that office, it sounds like something worse than a VD.

[Guest Honest AK]

How about "Juneau You Want It".