2nd round hit at 944 yards

[Superman]

With open sights on a Mosin Nagant

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-CTa2lMGN0&feature=em-uploademail

[Dolomite_supafly]

Notice all the empties on the ground? He has shot more than twice at that target before videoing it.

[TMF]

[quote name="Dolomite_supafly" post="1138863" timestamp="1397566868"]Notice all the empties on the ground? He has shot more than twice at that target before videoing it.[/quote] Yup. What's a mosin anyway? 3 MOA gun? Even in a vacuum and the sturdiest bench vise that rifle isn't capable of consistently making that shot. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[sigrug17]

I'm going to 'trust' Rex reviews on this one.  I've seen a ton of his vids and he's pretty sound guy...especially for long distance shots and knowledge and science.   That being said, I can't even see 500-600 yard target well without an magnified optic so.... pretty incredible shot with a Mosin, second shot or not.

[RC3]

I wonder how useful this set up would be:

 

http://tacticalol.com/mosin-nagant-kalashnikov-bubba-jenkins/

 

And we cant forget this:

 

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm

Edited April 15, 2014 by RC3

[Smith]

Yup. What's a mosin anyway? 3 MOA gun? Even in a vacuum and the sturdiest bench vise that rifle isn't capable of consistently making that shot. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

No, Mosin's are not 3 MOA guns. I'm sure out of the 37 million +/- made since the 1891 some are, but many are on par with any other standard sniper rifle used today. Ask any of the Germans that lost the sniper battle with the Russians what they think of the accuracy of Mosin's.

Maybe Eric will chime in with his long range sub-moa with surplus loads Mosin. ;)

[Troutburger]

I am extremely jealous of his shooting range. 

[TMF]

[quote name="Smith" post="1138944" timestamp="1397576965"]No, Mosin's are not 3 MOA guns. I'm sure out of the 37 million +/- made since the 1891 some are, but many are on par with any other standard sniper rifle used today. Ask any of the Germans that lost the sniper battle with the Russians what they think of the accuracy of Mosin's. Maybe Eric will chime in with his long range sub-moa with surplus loads Mosin. ;)[/quote] Yeah, not buying that. I own a couple mosins. They are great guns. They are not on par with the sniper rifles used today, unless you're referring to soviet era sniper weapons systems. Not to mention that 7.62 x 54r doesn't exactly have a flat trajectory. I've been behind a couple guns to know better. You get a good shooter behind a mosin and give him enough rounds, he will bang steel at 1000m eventually. I'll believe when I see someone do it more than once in 5 rounds or less. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[Smith]

Yeah, not buying that. I own a couple mosins. They are great guns. They are not on par with the sniper rifles used today, unless you're referring to soviet era sniper weapons systems. Not to mention that 7.62 x 54r doesn't exactly have a flat trajectory. I've been behind a couple guns to know better.

 

It's virtually a 30-06, which is a bit flatter shooting than the standard .308. Cut down the barrel re-crown it and get the trigger decent and a Mosin will shoot with a Remington 700 that has had the same work. They are pretty similar so I'm not sure why the comparison seems so exaggerated in your mind?

 

 

You get a good shooter behind a mosin and give him enough rounds, he will bang steel at 1000m eventually. I'll believe when I see someone do it more than once in 5 rounds or less.

I say the same thing about most guys that brag about their "sniper" rifle setups. Most of them couldn't do it with a 700 any better than a Mosin.  In short, it's not the gun. ;)

Edited April 15, 2014 by Smith

[TMF]

[quote name="Smith" post="1138963" timestamp="1397578884"]It's virtually a 30-06, which is a bit flatter shooting than the standard .308. Cut down the barrel re-crown it and get the trigger decent and a Mosin will shoot with a Remington 700 that has had the same work. They are pretty similar so I'm not sure why the comparison seems so exaggerated in your mind? I say the same thing about most guys that brag about their "sniper" rifle setups. Most of them couldn't do it with a 700 any better than a Mosin. In short, it's not the gun. ;)[/quote] Well, actually, it is the gun. A great shooter cannot outshot a rifle's capability. I can't hand Carlos Hathcock my 30-30 and expect him to take out Viet Cong at 1000m. He couldn't do it. I agree, having a sooper dooper sniper rifle doesn't mean you can hit squat. I imagine I could outshoot many folks with a mosin if they were shooting an AI super gun. Doesn't mean that the mosin is on par with that super gun though. You can believe that a mosin shoots just as well as a MOA Remington 700. You'd be wrong though. I would get into the ammo thing, but I don't suppose you'd believe me either if I told you that 118LR is much different than some soviet surplus spam can special. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[Smith]

Well, actually, it is the gun. A great shooter cannot outshot a rifle's capability. I can't hand Carlos Hathcock my 30-30 and expect him to take out Viet Cong at 1000m. He couldn't do it. I agree, having a sooper dooper sniper rifle doesn't mean you can hit squat. I imagine I could outshoot many folks with a mosin if they were shooting an AI super gun. Doesn't mean that the mosin is on par with that super gun though. You can believe that a mosin shoots just as well as a MOA Remington 700. You'd be wrong though. I would get into the ammo thing, but I don't suppose you'd believe me either if I told you that 118LR is much different than some soviet surplus spam can special. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Haha, not trying to be contentious with you. Yes there is a difference in match ammo and match guns. I just think the internet lore of the Russian arms inaccuracy is grossly exaggerated. The Mosin is a fine gun built on proven design principals and all things being equal will shoot better than many believe. When you go apples to apples, I've not seen any difference. You can't compare an 83 year old surplus Mosin shooting surplus ammo with an brand new Remington 700 using match ammo to determine the Mosin is inaccurate, of course there is a difference.

 

A new Mosin Nagant accurized with match ammo will be every bit as accurate as an accurized Remington 700 shooting match ammo.

A 83 year old run of the mill Remington 700 with surplus ammo will shoot just like an 83 year old run of the mill Mosin Nagant with surplus ammo.  

[Jonnin]

The majority of mosins imported are heavily worn and abused.   I read the gunboards (mostly a milsurp forum) and while a few folks have managed to find good rifles and tweak them, around 1 MOA is pretty good and fractional MOA (0.5 etc) is very, very, very uncommon. 

 

If you had a NIB one, maybe.

 

I won't say its the gun, because so many are in such rough shape.   But being realistic, the shots made by WWII snipers are not the shots made by today's snipers.  Today capping someone a mile out is uncommon but doable.  Back then a "sniper shot" was 200 yards give or take, which I have done with iron sights on my mauser (shooting stationary skeet clays).   Their scopes were what, 2-4 power or so tops?  With most being 2.5 or so IIRC?  They were not shooting 1k yards and half-mile shots, they were picking off the guy across the street.

 

Ammo, guns, and scopes have made a bit of progress in the past 60+ years. Not much, but some, you know?  Like how I can get a 30X power scope for $150 and handcraft ammo that will all sit in the same hole at 200 yards with effectively toy loading equipment?

 

The mosin is a rough-made gun but a new one probably was on par with a modern deer rifle, at least.   Which means it could probably snipe at 1k yards, sure.  I dunno if I would give even a brand new one good odds at a mile, though.

Edited April 15, 2014 by Jonnin

[TrickyNicky]

I wonder how useful this set up would be:
 
http://tacticalol.com/mosin-nagant-kalashnikov-bubba-jenkins/
 
And we cant forget this:
 
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm

Well just look at it! How can one doubt its usefulness is my question.

[Tempest455]

If he did, there was a whole lot of luck involved. A 3 MOA Mosin at 100 does not mean it's 3 MOA at 900-1,000.

 

Put it this way, I shot a Swiss K31 (much more accurate rifle) at 1,050 yards with iron sights last year using GP11. I know how many shots it took me and it was not 2!  :)

[gregintenn]

Well, actually, it is the gun. A great shooter cannot outshot a rifle's capability. I can't hand Carlos Hathcock my 30-30 and expect him to take out Viet Cong at 1000m. He couldn't do it. I agree, having a sooper dooper sniper rifle doesn't mean you can hit squat. I imagine I could outshoot many folks with a mosin if they were shooting an AI super gun. Doesn't mean that the mosin is on par with that super gun though. You can believe that a mosin shoots just as well as a MOA Remington 700. You'd be wrong though. I would get into the ammo thing, but I don't suppose you'd believe me either if I told you that 118LR is much different than some soviet surplus spam can special. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Who says a 30-30 can't be an accurate rifle? I beg to differ.

Edited April 15, 2014 by gregintenn

[Tempest455]

Who says a 30-30 can't be an accurate rifle? I beg to differ.

 

Accurate, probably could be. Long distance and accurate, no.

[mikegideon]

Who says a 30-30 can't be an accurate rifle? I beg to differ.

 

Accurate. It's just way out of gas at 1000 meters

[Richard995]

At 800 yards your drop is going to be over 300 inches.  Very hard to judge any bullet with that much drop.  His last shot you can actually see the bullet leave the barrel and you can see the trail. 

[peejman]

Notice that you never see the rifle actually shooting.  Who's to say he's even shooting a Mosin or it's even him doing the shooting.  Could be another guy with another rifle off camera doing the shooting.  The report seems pretty wimpy as well, but that could be the microphone in the camera.  The trail is visible for several of the shots. 

[gregintenn]

Maybe I missed it, but what is he shooting at? For all I know, it could be a sheet of steel the size of a car hood. Once a fella got his wind drift and bullet drop situated, I don't see any reason why he couldn't hit a reasonably sized target at a long distance with a good rifle.

[kwe45919]

Maybe I missed it, but what is he shooting at? For all I know, it could be a sheet of steel the size of a car hood. Once a fella got his wind drift and bullet drop situated, I don't see any reason why he couldn't hit a reasonably sized target at a long distance with a good rifle.

 

 

This says it all. Seen many long shots made with larger targets.

[TMF]

[quote name="mikegideon" post="1139081" timestamp="1397594800"]Accurate. It's just way out of gas at 1000 meters[/quote] Yah, I give up. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[A.J. Holst]

1000 yards with iron sights - how big / small would a human size target be at that range?

[Jonnin]

1000 yards with iron sights - how big / small would a human size target be at that range?

 

If I did it right, about 7/100ths of an inch?

 

 

edit: didnt do it right lol.  And still may not have. 

Edited April 16, 2014 by Jonnin

[Tempest455]

You have to do it when the angle of the sun is just right w/ iron sights. I did this before w/ a K31 and could not even see the target in the AM. So I put the gun away and we shot a 10BA most of the day. Only when the sun was behind us, could I see the target.

 

Even then, it was a PITA shot.