Open Carry Without a Permit

[ezrydr]

What do ya'll think about this? I guess that I have a few mixed feelings. It is definetly a major step in the right direction towards 2nd amendment freedom but I'm afraid that it would also open up a whole new can of worms for us. I have had a carry permit for 13 years now so I'm not one of those that is squemish about people carrying. Heck, I think that if more descent people carried there would be fewer bad guys taking advantage of the good guys. My worry is that, we all know of em, not everyone should have a gun. With the fragility of our freedoms now, I'm afraid that with such a huge step as this it would not take much of an accident to lose the rights that we have now. Already, there are people in the big offices just waiting for more reasons to collect all firearms from all of us. What are the thoughts of the LEO's here on the forum?

Edited April 10, 2014 by ezrydr

[KOM2]

Sounds like this bill will get killed in the House anyway. Not sure why the Governor is taking a neutral stance either. I too, have had my permit for 11 years so it's not going to affect me anyway. I like the idea of more people carrying but like you said how is this going to affect all of us....

[deerslayer]

I'm not sure what good this does us.  There are already incompetent gun owners who don't know which end of the gun the bullet comes out, much less when they should or should not use it (maybe low-information gun owners would be an adequate description), and now they may be able to strap that gun on their hip and open carry it everywhere they go.  I don't see permit holders gaining any ground. 

 

I would much rather see efforts and political capital being spent on giving teachers and school officials the option to be armed.  Who knows, they might prevent a knife attack. 

[USMC8672]

It really does open another can of worms. I had a Michigan permit for years until I moved back to Tn and depending on how the law will be written,(If the Gov signs) the second you get in a car and don't have a handgun carry permit, you could be guilty of carrying a concealed firearm without a permit.

I don't lose my tactical advantage by carrying where everyone can see that I am armed but I don't have any problems with anyone open carrying.

 

Just my two cents worth.

[Ted S.]

Because some people are stupid we should punish everyone. Mmmm....freedom. Sent from somewhere in the cosmos using magic...and bacon.

[tennessee01tacoma]

Because some people are stupid we should punish everyone. Mmmm....freedom.Sent from somewhere in the cosmos using magic...and bacon.

Agreed Ted. I think the people who will benefit from this is the people who would like to carry a handgun when they go hunting or camping but don't carry on a regular basis and can't justify the class and permit. But beyond that I wish we could get to constitutional carry, I understand the concern of the public but if you look at the states that have permit less open carry the crime rates are lower in several cases.

[Chucktshoes]

The fact that some will overstep and abuse a right is not sufficient justification for the government to exercise prior restraint on that right.

[tennessee01tacoma]

The fact that some will overstep and abuse a right is not sufficient justification for the government to exercise prior restraint on that right.

Well said!

[TMF]

[quote name="tennessee01tacoma" post="1136587" timestamp="1397131807"]Agreed Ted. I think the people who will benefit from this is the people who would like to carry a handgun when they go hunting or camping but don't carry on a regular basis and can't justify the class and permit. But beyond that I wish we could get to constitutional carry, I understand the concern of the public but if you look at the states that have permit less open carry the crime rates are lower in several cases.[/quote] I think he was being sarcastic. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[tennessee01tacoma]

I caught the sarcasm

[glowdotGlock]

I am for constitutional carry. I have been a permit holder since the week after I turned 21. I am 27. But on a funny note I can see it now. Ol' floppy nylon thumb break holsters with their grandfather's old SAA walking around in walmart. I worry too that if it does pass that more places will post. A post is a post. Edited April 10, 2014 by glowdotGlock

[chances R]

.... I worry too that if it does pass that more places will post. A post is a post.

 

^  This

[tennessee01tacoma]

I am for constitutional carry. I have been a permit holder since the week after I turned 21. I am 27. But on a funny note I can see it now. Ol' floppy nylon thumb break holsters with their grandfather's old SAA walking around in walmart. I worry too that if it does pass that more places will post. A post is a post.

You have hit on my only concern but honestly its their right just as much as my right to carry and if its all possible I'll take myself and my money elsewhere.

With that being said if a business if going to post then they better do it correctly. Edited April 10, 2014 by tennessee01tacoma

[nightrunner]

You have hit on my only concern but honestly its their right just as much as my right to carry and if its all possible I'll take myself and my money elsewhere.

With that being said if a business if going to post then they better do it correctly.

Might start seeing some/more "concealed carry only" postings?

[tennessee01tacoma]

Might start seeing some/more "concealed carry only" postings?

Possibly. Honestly I haven't thought about that. I conceal carry 99% of the time its my preferred method but I support this bill because it strengthens the 2nd in Tennessee.

[Guest TresOsos]

Ol' floppy nylon thumb break holsters with their grandfather's old SAA walking around in walmart. I worry too that if it does pass that more places will post. A post is a post.

I cannot tell you how many times I've already seen something very similar to this.

Thing is, they ever need to get that gun unstrapped and out of that floppy holster, they are probably already dead against anyone with a grain  of compentency.

 

However they should still have the right to carry.

Edited April 10, 2014 by TresOsos

[wk05]

I'm not sure what good this does us.  There are already incompetent gun owners who don't know which end of the gun the bullet comes out, much less when they should or should not use it (maybe low-information gun owners would be an adequate description), and now they may be able to strap that gun on their hip and open carry it everywhere they go.  I don't see permit holders gaining any ground. 

 

 I would much rather see efforts and political capital being spent on giving teachers and school officials the option to be armed.  Who knows, they might prevent a knife attack. 

 

No it doesn't give HCP holders any ground, but there are sill extremely competent gun owners out there that cannot (or for some reason) do not get an HCP.  I'm 19, live on my own, work full time and go to school full time, my name is on a lease and I pay my bills.  I'd say I'm a pretty responsible person and unfortunately the state of TN (until now) has said that I'm not responsible enough to carry a handgun, but in 13 months I will be...  IF the house doesn't kill this bill, at least I would have some means of carry and a step up from my C2.  This is a huge gain in ground for the entire 2A Community if we can get it pushed through.  

[LagerHead]

The Brady Campaign called. They want their arguments back. 

[Guest TresOsos]

Honestly. it took me as long time to overcome my "snobbery".

 

The 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution says: "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

 

In does not say "the right to keep and bear arms shall only apply to people I approve of or meet my appearance standards or gun handling standards....etc"

 

If it did and I was in charge half you yahoos would not have a gun, so be glad I'm not in charge.

 

Realize also that this is how the opposition wants to interperate the 2nd, you have to take the good with the bad, esspecially in a(supposedly) free society.

[Titansfan]

I am on the fence on this issue but beginning to lean towards pro-open carry.  The few liberals on my Facebook are beginning to cry about open carry, (Wild West Shoot Outs, etc.) same crap before HCP passed in mid-90’s.  Just to irritate the liberals, I might swing in favor.

I pointed out on one liberal post; the open carry (with exception of Kentucky) would end at the state line.  One thing I do like about my permit that it’s good in many other states. 

[Guest TresOsos]

I am on the fence on this issue but beginning to lean towards pro-open carry.  The few liberals on my Facebook are beginning to cry about open carry, (Wild West Shoot Outs, etc.) same crap before HCP passed in mid-90’s.  Just to irritate the liberals, I might swing in favor.

I pointed out on one liberal post; the open carry (with exception of Kentucky) would end at the state line.  One thing I do like about my permit that it’s good in many other states. 

It's not mandating open carry, it is allowing it with out a permit. You want to carry concealed as I would still do, you'll still have to have a permit.

However those that want to open carry and not get a permit, I have no problem with it.

Edited April 10, 2014 by TresOsos

[Chucktshoes]

I am on the fence on this issue but beginning to lean towards pro-open carry. The few liberals on my Facebook are beginning to cry about open carry, (Wild West Shoot Outs, etc.) same crap before HCP passed in mid-90’s. Just to irritate the liberals, I might swing in favor. I pointed out on one liberal post; the open carry (with exception of Kentucky) would end at the state line. One thing I do like about my permit that it’s good in many other states.

Actually, the only TN border states that prohibit permitless OC are is GA and SC. GA requires a permit and SC prohibits all OC. So in reality you could cross into any of the other TN border states OCing without a permit legally and without issue.
 
 
 
Edited to add: DOH!

Edited April 11, 2014 by Chucktshoes

[jh225]

Actually, the only TN border states that prohibit permitless OC are GA and SC. GA requires a permit and SC prohibits all OC. So in reality you could cross into any of the other TN border states OCing without a permit legally and without issue.

Yes, but is OC for any citizen, or just citizens that reside in that state? Many states have vague laws that are potentially open to interpretation. Edited April 10, 2014 by jh225

[Oh Shoot]

Yes, but is OC for any citizen, or just citizens that reside in that state? Many states have vague laws that are potentially open to interpretation.

 

I only know of one state that mandates one must be a resident to qualify under any of its carry laws -- Wyoming.

 

- OS

[Cruel Hand Luke]

I fear there may be some other unintended negative consequences that appear only after this is a done deal.....as someone mentioned before...it may lead to more places being posted and that is just ONE negative consequence...but a big one none the less.