Indicted Ca senator advocated 3D printing regulations too...

[thundersnow]

http://3dprintboard.com/showthread.php?2524-Senator-Who-Wanted-to-Regulate-3D-Printers-Because-of-Guns-Indicted-Arms-Trafficking

Pandering, in any form has no place in government. Arms deals behind closed doors from this guy and he wants to legislate 3D printers among other things because it might help the terrorists! Go figure.

[RichardR]

Well his definition of what a potential terrorist is probably vastly different than ours is, considering that there is a growing portion of the population on the left-side of the political aisle who believes that conservatives aka right-wing extremists, are "the real enemy" of this nation.

On the other side of the coin, there are also a growing number of folks on the right-side of the political aisle who believe that people like him are "the real enemy" of this nation.

Interesting times we live in, that is for sure.

[bersaguy]

So lets see???    It is okay if the Attorney General of the United States Mr. Holder does this with the help of his FBI cronies and it was in some way legal but it is illegal for this guy to do it. Can anyone show me a difference between the two cases? ( Except Holder got away with it and this guy didn't)?????................just curious what others think?

[RichardR]

So lets see??? It is okay if the Attorney General of the United States Mr. Holder does this with the help of his FBI cronies and it was in some way legal but it is illegal for this guy to do it. Can anyone show me a difference between the two cases? ( Except Holder got away with it and this guy didn't)?????................just curious what others think?

I disagree with the premise that it was "OK" for Mr. Holder (or anyone else) to engage in illegal activities that they (or anyone else) would prosecute & imprison you, me or the next random, regular (non-elite) person for.

That is part of a "one set of laws for us elites, another set of laws for you peasants" system, which the American People cannot allow to continue, it is poisonous to founding principle of our nation & desperately needs to come to an end.

[bersaguy]

I disagree with the premise that it was "OK" for Mr. Holder (or anyone else) to engage in illegal activities that they (or anyone else) would prosecute & imprison you, me or the next random, regular (non-elite) person for.

That is part of a "one set of laws for us elites, another set of laws for you peasants" system, which the American People cannot allow to continue, it is poisonous to founding principle of our nation & desperately needs to come to an end.

 

    Although I totally agree with you 100% Why did Eric Holder walk free and this guy get busted and now going to be tried when Holder was not even arrested when it was proven that some of the Holder deal guns got border agents killed..............I guess Fast and Furious was legal then? 

[DaveTN]

I still find this laughable. Any good machinist could build guns that actually work. 3D printing is great technology; but not for making firearms. But let’s add some kind of special cost or tax to it to make the cost of stuff made in this country more expensive.

[RichardR]

Although I totally agree with you 100% Why did Eric Holder walk free and this guy get busted and now going to be tried when Holder was not even arrested when it was proven that some of the Holder deal guns got border agents killed..............I guess Fast and Furious was legal then?

Two words: "selective enforcement".

A very common tactic, most usually employed when attempting to gain the assistance of an otherwise uncooperative witness.

But it is also used in the more historical method (by the elites) to protect those deemed worth protecting (other elites).

It's really not a mystery, or all that surprising.

[RichardR]

I still find this laughable. Any good machinist could build guns that actually work. 3D printing is great technology; but not for making firearms. But let’s add some kind of special cost or tax to it to make the cost of stuff made in this country more expensive.

Agreed on all parts, at least with the current level of technology being used anyway, with each new generation that technology will become a more and more viable method of producing hard use application materials though.

[DaveTN]

So lets see???    It is okay if the Attorney General of the United States Mr. Holder does this with the help of his FBI cronies and it was in some way legal but it is illegal for this guy to do it. Can anyone show me a difference between the two cases? ( Except Holder got away with it and this guy didn't)?????................just curious what others think?

 
 

Although I totally agree with you 100% Why did Eric Holder walk free and this guy get busted and now going to be tried when Holder was not even arrested when it was proven that some of the Holder deal guns got border agents killed..............I guess Fast and Furious was legal then?

I’m supposed to care if guns go into Mexico? I couldn’t care less. The Mexican government stands and watches as something more deadly crosses our borders every day, sometimes they even help. Screw them, and their President thinking he has anything to say about our gun laws.

I’m no fan of holder but I doubt he knew squat; and don’t care if he did. It was a local operation trying to track guns going across the border. They lost track of them; I’m sure it happens with dope all the time. The only mistake they made was caring if guns went across the border. I don’t.

It also gave the anti-gun crowd something to make a bunch of noise about. What really surprises me is how many people that claim to be pro-gun have joined the gun haters in wanting something done about it.

I think if you think about it for a while you won’t need anyone to explain the difference in someone tracking guns headed across the border and a Senator being involved in illegal gun trafficking in return for campaign contributions.

[Guest semiautots]

I still find this laughable. Any good machinist could build guns that actually work. 3D printing is great technology; but not for making firearms. But let’s add some kind of special cost or tax to it to make the cost of stuff made in this country more expensive.

 

Since they are now printing in metal, I would disagree.  This technology is revolutionary, especially in metal.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2L3QP5qVgo

[Ugly]

Holder should be tried for treason and murder. The only reason he authorized and mandated gunshops to comply with the straw purchases were to be use against us. Manufacture a problem so the loonies can fix it. Now there are hundreds of dead people because of it. Executive privilege was the final cover up.

[DaveTN]

Since they are now printing in metal, I would disagree.  This technology is revolutionary, especially in metal.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2L3QP5qVgo

That’s Direct Metal Laser Sintering, while technically its 3D printing that’s not the printer you will be getting at home anytime soon. It involves programming, fixturing, and possibly even heat treating skills. For what? A 500 round torture test? I’ll pass.
Point is; its cost prohibitive for making guns. Conventional machining is not.
 

I mentioned earlier this isn’t about desktop printers, and it’s not. The industrial printer we used costs more than my college tuition (and I went to a private university) and the engineers who run our machines are top of the line; they are experts who know what they’re doing and understand 3D Printing better than anyone in this business. Thanks to them, Solid Concepts is debunking the idea that 3D Printing isn’t a viable solution or isn’t ready for mainstream manufacturing. We have the right materials, and the right engineers who know how to best program and maintain these machines, to make 3D Printing accurate, powerful and here to stay.

[Chucktshoes]

[quote name="DaveTN" post="1132082" timestamp="1396202375"] I’m supposed to care if guns go into Mexico? I couldn’t care less. The Mexican government stands and watches as something more deadly crosses our borders every day, sometimes they even help. Screw them, and their President thinking he has anything to say about our gun laws. I’m no fan of holder but I doubt he knew squat; and don’t care if he did. [b]It was a local operation trying to track guns going across the border. They lost track of them;[/b] I’m sure it happens with dope all the time. The only mistake they made was caring if guns went across the border. I don’t. It also gave the anti-gun crowd something to make a bunch of noise about. What really surprises me is how many people that claim to be pro-gun have joined the gun haters in wanting something done about it. I think if you think about it for a while you won’t need anyone to explain the difference in someone tracking guns headed across the border and a Senator being involved in illegal gun trafficking in return for campaign contributions.[/quote] That you actually believe F&F was a legitimate op gone wrong explains why you don't understand the importance of what happened. They didn't "lose track" of the weapons, there was never a process in place to track them in the first place, that wasn't what F&F was designed to do. Operation Wide Receiver was a similar operation that lost track of the guns. The difference being that it was done in cooperation with the Mexican government. In Wide Receiver tracking devices were installed in the guns and when it was discovered that those trackers had been found and removed the operation was halted. With F&F the DOJ intentionally broke the law in an effort to undermine it and build support to change it. If you can't see the problem there, there is no use explaining anything to you.

[TMF]

[quote name="Chucktshoes" post="1132103" timestamp="1396206808"]That you actually believe F&F was a legitimate op gone wrong explains why you don't understand the importance of what happened. They didn't "lose track" of the weapons, there was never a process in place to track them in the first place, that wasn't what F&F was designed to do. Operation Wide Receiver was a similar operation that lost track of the guns. The difference being that it was done in cooperation with the Mexican government. In Wide Receiver tracking devices were installed in the guns and when it was discovered that those trackers had been found and removed the operation was halted. With F&F the DOJ intentionally broke the law in an effort to undermine it and build support to change it. If you can't see the problem there, there is no use explaining anything to you.[/quote] I can't help but think F&F was a work around for the shortcomings of the previous program. As much as I'd like to see something nefarious in its genesis, I believe it was a case of good initiative, bad judgment. Of course, that doesn't remove responsibility of the government and it sure as hell shouldn't have been used as an argument for gun control, as it was. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[DaveTN]

That you actually believe F&F was a legitimate op gone wrong explains why you don't understand the importance of what happened. They didn't "lose track" of the weapons, there was never a process in place to track them in the first place, that wasn't what F&F was designed to do. Operation Wide Receiver was a similar operation that lost track of the guns. The difference being that it was done in cooperation with the Mexican government. In Wide Receiver tracking devices were installed in the guns and when it was discovered that those trackers had been found and removed the operation was halted. With F&F the DOJ intentionally broke the law in an effort to undermine it and build support to change it. If you can't see the problem there, there is no use explaining anything to you.

I see a problem. I just don’t see a big problem or one that I should care about.

If you want to stand by Clintons dumb azz statements that 80% of the guns used in crimes in Mexico come from the U.S.; go for it. Common sense tells me otherwise.

However, you are always carrying on about how cops here are going to go on some kind of a rampage door to door and how we need guns for when that happens. That is happening now in Mexico by a corrupt government and Police force, not to mention the cartels. Don’t you think the people in Mexico need guns to protect themselves? We should be dropping shipments of guns to the population of Mexico.

OMG some guns got out of the country; lets get our panties in a bunch and have a witch hunt. No thanks.

But what does any of this have to do with 3D printing?

[Chucktshoes]

[quote name="DaveTN" post="1132109" timestamp="1396208287"]I see a problem. I just don’t see a big problem or one that I should care about. [b]If you want to stand by Clintons dumb azz statements that 80% of the guns used in crimes in Mexico come from the U.S.; go for it. Common sense tells me otherwise.[/b] However, you are always carrying on about how cops here are going to go on some kind of a rampage door to door and how we need guns for when that happens. That is happening now in Mexico by a corrupt government and Police force, not to mention the cartels. Don’t you think the people in Mexico need guns to protect themselves? We should be dropping shipments of guns to the population of Mexico. OMG some guns got out of the country; lets get our panties in a bunch and have a witch hunt. No thanks. But what does any of this have to do with 3D printing?[/quote] Clinton's statement was total BS. That was the point of F&F, to put numbers behind that lie and build support for more gun control on the bodies of folks killed with guns provided by the ATF. Guns bought with your tax dollars.

[Guest semiautots]

That’s Direct Metal Laser Sintering, while technically its 3D printing that’s not the printer you will be getting at home anytime soon. It involves programming, fixturing, and possibly even heat treating skills. For what? A 500 round torture test? I’ll pass.
Point is; its cost prohibitive for making guns. Conventional machining is not.
 

 

Yep.  All this technology gets cheaper and better.  It will here, as well.  Someone will invent a metal epoxy and we'll be off to the races.  You will be able to buy this for your home.  The plastic technology is almost good enough for an AR-15 lower.