Nashville digital death toll signs

[sigmtnman]

I drive sober and wear my seatbelt, leaving a 0% chance that I will die in a car crash.

 

lol.  I see what you did there.

[sigmtnman]

I actually do always wear my seatbelt and require anyone riding in my vehicle wear one as well. I was just pointing out the signs don't actually say what I think they are trying to make them say.

 

Oppressor.

[Steelharp]

When they were first instituted, they were referred to as the...

 

Tennessee

Intelligent

Transportation

System

 

That name didn't last long.  :rofl:

[gregintenn]

When they were first instituted, they were referred to as the...

 

Tennessee

Intelligent

Transportation

System

 

That name didn't last long.  :rofl:

According to my kids, that's also the abbreviation for the Titans.

 

 

I drive sober and wear my seatbelt, leaving a 0% chance that I will die in a car crash.

Looks like it's working so far. :up:

[Steelharp]

Cheerleaders are the Tight'uns. ;)

[Chucktshoes]

Oppressor.

Yep. Proudly so.  :rofl:

[TMF]

[quote name="10-Ring" post="1130795" timestamp="1395959784"]I drive sober and wear my seatbelt, leaving a 0% chance that I will die in a car crash.[/quote] Just like carrying a firearm means there is a 0% chance of being hurt or killed in a violent attack. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[glowdotGlock]

[quote name="Steelharp" post="1130840" timestamp="1395964475"]Cheerleaders are the Tight'uns. ;)[/quote]I doubt it... :p

[KKing]

Alright, alright. I'll admit I saw the thread title before I had my coffee and thought "why are people being killed by digital things and who's advertising it?"

[Gliderman166]

The electronic signs are just camoflauge for the concealed camera scanning license plates to track and surveil movement......ve are vatching you!!!!

[Gliderman166]

...that was sarcasm, in case you missed it...(I hope....ARE they watching us????)....lol....

[sigmtnman]

...that was sarcasm, in case you missed it...(I hope....ARE they watching us????)....lol....

 

You bet your ass they are watching.  License plate recognition technology is widely used at the local and state level.

 

DHS actually put out a bid request for a federal database to track the data.  http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/homeland-security-is-seeking-a-national-license-plate-tracking-system/2014/02/18/56474ae8-9816-11e3-9616-d367fa6ea99b_story.html

 

 

Of course, they assure us it will not be abused...

Edited March 30, 2014 by sigmtnman

[Wheelgunner]

Sure would be nice if they actually put some useful info on them see'n as how we taxpayers paid a lot for them.

Yeah, like real-time basketball scores during March Madness.

 

Seriously, though, you know what stats I'd like to see?  The number of people that are normally careless, unseatbelted, drunk, behind-the-wheel texters who changed their behavior and became responsible after reading one of those death toll stats.  I'm betting THAT number would be in the single digits.

 

And if the whole point of the signs was to make better-informed, safer drivers, then... 

[Ugly]

I like how they put up "red light cameras" for safety reasons and accidents actually go up

http://www.motorists.org/red-light-cameras/increase-accidents

[LagerHead]

I was once in an accident where I would have most likely been gravely injured, if not killed had I been wearing a seatbelt. The ladie's bumper and my driver's side door was wrapped around my steering wheel. I wasn't injured.

 

The sign said it was 50/50. I guess you and I help confirm that?

 

This is so far an anomaly, it's like arguing for parachuting without a parachute based on the handful of people that live after a complete malfunction. Or to hit a little closer to home, it's like arguing that only a moron would carry a gun because some people have survived dangerous encounters without them.

 

I believe the government should not mandate that an adult wear a seat belt if he doesn't want to, but anyone who doesn't needs their head examined, plain and simple. There is just not a single sound argument for not wearing a seat belt. Anecdotal evidence does not a sound argument make. See the parachute argument above. 

[gregintenn]

This is so far an anomaly, it's like arguing for parachuting without a parachute based on the handful of people that live after a complete malfunction. Or to hit a little closer to home, it's like arguing that only a moron would carry a gun because some people have survived dangerous encounters without them.

 

I believe the government should not mandate that an adult wear a seat belt if he doesn't want to, but anyone who doesn't needs their head examined, plain and simple. There is just not a single sound argument for not wearing a seat belt. Anecdotal evidence does not a sound argument make. See the parachute argument above. 

How about the 50%-50% statistic stated on the electronic signs? If half the people killed weren't wearing a seatbelt, what were the other half doing? That isn't anecdotal;  it is statistical.

 

If you wanted to prevent death by auto accident, you would never get in an automobile.

[TMF]

[quote name="gregintenn" post="1132383" timestamp="1396284806"]How about the 50%-50% statistic stated on the electronic signs? If half the people killed weren't wearing a seatbelt, what were the other half doing? That isn't anecdotal; it is statistical. [/quote] I dunno... physics? It doesn't matter if you're wearing a seatbelt or not if you fly off the interstate at 90 mph and come to a dead stop. If you're belted in your insides will become mush from the g-force and if you're not belted it you'll be ejected into something at 90 mph. No one ever said that sear belts held some magical power which absolutely guaranteed your survival in every scenario. It is just a strap which keeps you from eating your steering wheel in a low velocity wreck or being ejected in a high velocity wreck. If flying onto pavement is your thing, by all means, don't use it. It's your business. Growing up in the household of a LEO and a nurse I've been given access to information which makes me buckle up. That doesn't mean you have to though. You have every right to base life and death choices on anecdotal stories. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[LagerHead]

How about the 50%-50% statistic stated on the electronic signs? If half the people killed weren't wearing a seatbelt, what were the other half doing? That isn't anecdotal;  it is statistical.
 
If you wanted to prevent death by auto accident, you would never get in an automobile.

The 50/50 stat in no way accounts for how many of the 50% would probably be alive today if they WERE wearing their seatbelt. For example, if 1,000 people were killed, and exactly 50% weren't wearing their seat belt, i.e. 500, how many might still be alive if they were? 100? 200?

In addition, it doesn't take into account how many people were NOT killed because they WERE wearing their seat belt. I can say with complete confidence that the numbers would be greatly skewed in favor of those wearing seat belts.

Not only that, it has been shown, through statistics, that you're something like 85 times more likely to die being ejected from a car during a crash than if you are not. And the only way to ensure you are not is by wearing a seat belt. Like you said, that isn't anecdotal, it is statistical.

Really what you are saying is exactly the same as the gun grabbers who say you're 2.5 times more likely to be shot with your own gun than use it in self defense because they discount self defense uses that don't result in death, which are the majority. Seat belts (and guns) save lives. Plain and simple.

[2.ooohhh]

I personally think every 18yr old should be required to volunteer with the local rescue squad where they live. Nothing tamed my driving faster and scared me into wearing my seat belt regularly than helping recover a victim's body ejected during a crash. I remember telling my grandmother how hard it was mentally, and she stated that it used to be worse and showed me some crash investigation pics my grandfather had from his days with the THP before seat belts were commonplace, made me really glad to at least have the option of wearing a seat belt. :ugh:

[monkeylizard]

This x a bazillion.

 

I've seen some wreck photos where the unbelted front seat passenger was folded in half and shoved behind the driver's seat in the space that would normally be occupied by a rear seat passenger's feet and shins. We don't need to mention the steering wheel decapitations. :surrender:

 

Buckle up.

Edited March 31, 2014 by monkeylizard

[tnguy]

The 50/50 stat in no way accounts for how many of the 50% would probably be alive today if they WERE wearing their seatbelt. For example, if 1,000 people were killed, and exactly 50% weren't wearing their seat belt, i.e. 500, how many might still be alive if they were? 100? 200?

In addition, it doesn't take into account how many people were NOT killed because they WERE wearing their seat belt. I can say with complete confidence that the numbers would be greatly skewed in favor of those wearing seat belts.

Not only that, it has been shown, through statistics, that you're something like 85 times more likely to die being ejected from a car during a crash than if you are not. And the only way to ensure you are not is by wearing a seat belt. Like you said, that isn't anecdotal, it is statistical.

Really what you are saying is exactly the same as the gun grabbers who say you're 2.5 times more likely to be shot with your own gun than use it in self defense because they discount self defense uses that don't result in death, which are the majority. Seat belts (and guns) save lives. Plain and simple.

 

I also believe I heard that one of the major benefits of wearing a seatbelt was that immediately after the initial impact, you are still in your seat with your hands on the wheel and your feet in the vicinity of the pedals and not in the back seat or halfway out of the front windscreen. This helps prevent a relatively minor initial accident from becoming more serious.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Yep I'm gonna make a wild supposition that a MUCH larger percentage than 50% of drivers wear seat belts. I'd guess a really big percentage wear seat belts, especially since the seatbelt nag interconnects are so annoying in modern vehicles.

 

If the compliance percentage is real large, 90 percent or more, than stats of 50% non-seat belt fatalities would show that condition drastically more fatal. But even if the compliance percentage were as low as 51%, it would show the non-seat belt situation at least slightly more hazardous.