AR and AK pistols

[gregintenn]

I have seen an explosion of these things lately. I see no legitimate use for them. I'm not promoting the banning of them or anything like that. I expect this thread will ruffle a few feathers, but I'm hoping someone can enlighten me as to why they are desirable.

[KKing]

[quote name="gregintenn" post="1129046" timestamp="1395627383"]I have seen an explosion of these things lately. I see no legitimate use for them. I'm not promoting the banning of them or anything like that. I expect this thread will ruffle a few feathers, but I'm hoping someone can enlighten me as to why they are desirable.[/quote] Does your carry weapon have near rifle range with accuracy? Just asking Besides anything you call "legitimate", they're a ton of fun. I have a lot of weapons that have the sole purpose of being fun. If you don't, you ought to live a little Edited March 24, 2014 by KKing

[sigmtnman]

Cause they make a very loud bang!

[TMF]

[quote name="gregintenn" post="1129046" timestamp="1395627383"]I have seen an explosion of these things lately. I see no legitimate use for them. I'm not promoting the banning of them or anything like that. I expect this thread will ruffle a few feathers, but I'm hoping someone can enlighten me as to why they are desirable.[/quote] I can't legally have a loaded rifle outside my home, but I can have my loaded AK pistol, which doesn't lose much muzzle velocity at 10 inches. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[c.a.willard]

I built mine to be my versatile do most things good enough gun.  It's short compact and packs a bigger punch than a pistol round.  It is built on a platform i am familiar with which makes it ideal for defensive use.  I built mine in 300 blackout, which though may not be the ideal man stopper or hunting round is plenty to get the job done.  Also, i have friends with good hunting land up in Indiana.  I can use a 300 blackout pistol to hunt in Indiana but not a rifle in the same caliber (they have some dumb laws).  

 

I use a SB 15 brace so i get almost full SBR versatility without the tax stamp or the need to provide written notice anytime i choose to take it with me out of state.

[Erik88]

I have seen an explosion of these things lately. I see no legitimate use for them. I'm not promoting the banning of them or anything like that. I expect this thread will ruffle a few feathers, but I'm hoping someone can enlighten me as to why they are desirable.

 

I felt the same way until I saw OhShoot's version. Instead of the ridiculous looking buffer tube he has a "cheek rest" which is basically a normal stock. It's a nifty way to have a short barrel AR without having to be on the ATF registry. I still don't know if I'd ever get one but I can see a little more value now.

[austin7.62]

I don't have any interest in my M92 PAP AK pistol as it sits, but whenever my tax stamp comes in, it's going to be made into an under folding SBR.

[Westwindmike]

I wanted an AR pistol until I got one. Too much noise, blast and flame for me. Sold it.

[Steelharp]

http://extarguns.com/

[Hershmeister]

You buy them And then SBR them

[TMF]

You buy them And then SBR them

 

It was my intention with my AK pistol, but if I do that I can't have it loaded on my person.  I go camping often and like have a rifle caliber with me.  I can fit my AK in my backpack and ain't breaking any laws.  Can't do that with an SBR or rifle.  Also makes a good truck gun.

[Oh Shoot]

I felt the same way until I saw OhShoot's version. Instead of the ridiculous looking buffer tube he has a "cheek rest" which is basically a normal stock. It's a nifty way to have a short barrel AR without having to be on the ATF registry. I still don't know if I'd ever get one but I can see a little more value now.

 

AR pistol is about as accurate with just the buffer tube laid alongside cheek, though. Certainly plenty accurate enough for COM up to 100 yards or so. The buffer tube arrangement is actually a plus for stability and accuracy. Holding a shortie out on a sling to steady it absolutely sucks by comparison.

 

So AK pistol or AR piston models sans receiver extension don't have the same strengths in the stability and accuracy departments. But of course they are more compact and still deliver a hicap rifle cartridge punch at whatever range you can hit something with them.

 

So to add to and reiterate some of the points of the yea sayers:

 

- I can hit things quicker and repetitively a lot further away than with a conventional handgun.

- The things that are hit with 5.56 get a bit more wallop as from .357 mag at same distance

- I get 30 quick chances

- Short firearm, easily stashed

- Can actually carry around loaded on my person should circumstances require

- Can have loaded in vehicle with one in chamber

- No $200 tax stamp, and not on the only actual full fledged gun registry in the USA

- You have a spare fully functional lower that can be swapped with other uppers

- They not only look evil, but evilly evil :)

 

- OS

Edited March 24, 2014 by Oh Shoot

[RED333]

To each their own.

"Look what I have".

Plus all the points OS made.

[Guest semiautots]

Does your carry weapon have near rifle range with accuracy?

 

Only when I shoot it!

 

:rofl:

[ProfEngr]

The original Professional Ordnance models are cast/machined different than any other AR model I've seen. Just enough so you can't swap major components. I have no experience with them since Bushmaster bought them.

[gregintenn]

Thanks for all the answers.

[sigmtnman]

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I like them because I refuse to pay $200 for an SBR

 

Something I've wondered and never asked....

 

Does the $200 tax stamp give the BATF permission to come inspect anytime they desire?

[KKing]

[quote name="sigmtnman" post="1129187" timestamp="1395671797"]Something I've wondered and never asked.... Does the $200 tax stamp give the BATF permission to come inspect anytime they desire?[/quote] Yes, but supposedly only for that firearm

[Jonnin]

I have seen an explosion of these things lately. I see no legitimate use for them. I'm not promoting the banning of them or anything like that. I expect this thread will ruffle a few feathers, but I'm hoping someone can enlighten me as to why they are desirable.

 

Why is any gun desirable?  If we only own what is *useful*, I would have to sell 3/4 of mine.   My desert eagle 44 is less useful than my AR pistol, for that matter:  Its almost as big but holds a fraction the # of shots and is ammo picky (likes it hot and some rounds wont fit in the mag, too long).  My .22 escort is a total piece of junk, and my wife's  .25 is also nearly useless, to name a few right off the top of my head.  My double barreled shotgun is virtually worthless as well, slow to load, low cap, difficult to cock both hammers quickly, but I LOVE it. 

 

My AR pistol gives me a high capacity, long range pistol that can be carried on a handgun permit legally.   It is also fun to shoot.   But it serves no practical purpose unless I need it as a weapon (in which case, heaven help me).  Just because it is legal to carry does not make it practical, its too big to conceal and the range makes it dangerous in an urban setting.  Its one of those things you have and hope you never NEED.

[sigmtnman]

Yes, but supposedly only for that firearm

 

riiiiiiiiiiight...  The .gov is great about respecting the law and boundaries. 

[KKing]

[quote name="sigmtnman" post="1129194" timestamp="1395673394"]riiiiiiiiiiight... The .gov is great about respecting the law and boundaries. [/quote] Exactly

[gregintenn]

I never got on the Thompson Contender bandwagon either. Probably for many of the same reasons.

[tnguy]

I have seen an explosion of these things lately. I see no legitimate use for them. I'm not promoting the banning of them or anything like that. I expect this thread will ruffle a few feathers, but I'm hoping someone can enlighten me as to why they are desirable.

I had a lot of fun shooting mine on Saturday. Seems legitimate enough.

 

2-3 times smaller groupings than my .380 and fit in a backpack when broken down.

Edited March 24, 2014 by tnguy

[TMF]

I had a lot of fun shooting mine on Saturday. Seems legitimate enough.

 

2-3 times smaller groupings than my .380 and fit in a backpack when broken down.

 

If you get an AK it'll fit in your backpack without having to break it in half.  I have a small hiking backpack that I carry it in.

[tnguy]

Not high on my list but I'll bear it in mind.