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[Guest carter]

So is it illegal to have a gun in Maine? on your private property? Oh...and at the end... what exactly is an "arresting officer"? 

 

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/19/gun-tattoo-in-maine-prompts-heavy-police-response/?intcmp=latestnews

[DaveTN]

So is it illegal to have a gun in Maine? on your private property?

No, Maine permits open carry. But when you come out and start yelling at workers the Police will come if called; especially if you are brandishing a gun. It works that way in most states; including Tennessee.
 

Oh...and at the end... what exactly is an "arresting officer"?

The Officer that places you under arrest.

[E4 No More]

No, Maine permits open carry. But when you come out and start yelling at workers the Police will come if called; especially if you are brandishing a gun. It works that way in most states; including Tennessee. The Officer that places you under arrest.

There was no gun being brandished - particularly a real gun.

bran·dish [bran-dish] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1.
to shake or wave, as a weapon; flourish: Brandishing his sword, he rode into battle.
noun
2.
a flourish or waving, as of a weapon.

[DaveTN]

There was no gun being brandished - particularly a real gun.

And that is why he wasn’t arrested. I was simply pointing out why the Police were there. Call in a man with a gun and cops will show up.

The arresting officer question had nothing to do with this incident. The guy was telling a story about being arrested previously on a warrant.

[Guest carter]

No, Maine permits open carry. But when you come out and start yelling at workers the Police will come if called; especially if you are brandishing a gun. It works that way in most states; including Tennessee.
 
The Officer that places you under arrest.

who was brandishing a gun? I'd love to know how one can brandish a gun without holding it in there hand... and what exactly is he getting arrested for to have an arresting officer? 

 

I think the idiot tree service guys should of been interviewed and the 911 tape played...would of loved to of heard what was actually said to the dispatcher... 

Edited March 20, 2014 by carter

[DaveTN]

and what exactly is he getting arrested for to have an arresting officer?

Did you read the story you posted? He was telling a story about a time he was arrested on a warrant for an unpaid fine. It had nothing to do with this incident. RIF.
 

who was brandishing a gun? I'd love to know how one can brandish a gun without holding it in there hand...

No one was brandishing a gun; there was no gun. But apparently the workers though he had a gun stuck down the front of his pants.
You don’t need to have a gun in your hand to make a threat. If you walk out of your house and threaten someone and have a gun stuck in the front of your pants; the chances are pretty good you will be defending yourself on a felony aggravated assault charge.
 

I think the idiot tree service guys should of been interviewed and the 911 tape played...would of loved to of heard what was actually said to the dispatcher...

I’m guessing… “There is a nut out here with a gun; send someone out.”

[Jonnin]

and the morale of the story is:

"If you get a tattoo that looks like a real gun stuffed in your pants, put on a shirt before you get rowdy".

[E4 No More]

Did you read the story you posted? He was telling a story about a time he was arrested on a warrant for an unpaid fine. It had nothing to do with this incident. RIF.
 
No one was brandishing a gun; there was no gun. But apparently the workers though he had a gun stuck down the front of his pants.
You don’t need to have a gun in your hand to make a threat. If you walk out of your house and threaten someone and have a gun stuck in the front of your pants; the chances are pretty good you will be defending yourself on a felony aggravated assault charge.
 
I’m guessing… “There is a nut out here with a gun; send someone out.”

Shouting at someone to leave your property, (although they were most likely on a utility easement), is not threatening in and of itself. If the mere presence of a weapon constitutes a felony charge then I guess you better not carry one at all. Pointing a weapon in the direction of the workers would constitute a threat. Kind of hard to do that with a tattoo. Distance comes into play here as well. If he was too far away to determine that it was a tattoo they saw then one could argue that a handgun wasn't a threat if he did have one. If not, then they need to get their eyes checked.

[E4 No More]

And that is why he wasn’t arrested. I was simply pointing out why the Police were there. Call in a man with a gun and cops will show up.

The arresting officer question had nothing to do with this incident. The guy was telling a story about being arrested previously on a warrant.

I didn't say that he was arrested. I can read. There were no threats mentioned at all as a matter of fact. The workers called the police because a man with a "gun" told them to leave resulting in officers with assault rifles responding to the scene. Given this information the officers over-reacted and should have charged the reporting worker with making a false report.

[TMF]

Shouting at someone to leave your property, (although they were most likely on a utility easement), is not threatening in and of itself. If the mere presence of a weapon constitutes a felony charge then I guess you better not carry one at all. Pointing a weapon in the direction of the workers would constitute a threat. Kind of hard to do that with a tattoo. Distance comes into play here as well. If he was too far away to determine that it was a tattoo they saw then one could argue that a handgun wasn't a threat if he did have one. If not, then they need to get their eyes checked.

 

I think there is the possibility that the utility workers embelished their story to 911. 

 

"This guy came out with a gun and was yelling at us to get off his property...."  

 

Think how 911 is going to relay that to officers.

[E4 No More]

I think there is the possibility that the utility workers embelished their story to 911. 

 

"This guy came out with a gun and was yelling at us to get off his property...."  

 

Think how 911 is going to relay that to officers.

I'm sure that they probably did. I handled calls such as this and found that the truth ALWAYS laid in between both sides and didn't warrant a call out of SWAT, (embellishing here for emphasis), but that doesn't mean that I wasn't on guard.

[DaveTN]

The workers called the police because a man with a "gun" told them to leave resulting in officers with assault rifles responding to the scene. Given this information the officers over-reacted and should have charged the reporting worker with making a false report.

That’s ridiculous, the workers weren’t at fault here the dirt bag with a gun tattooed on his waistband was. Play stupid games; win stupid prizes. In this case the prize was getting rifles pointed at you.
If you were a cop you know you don’t arrest people for calling in what they see and you also know that this is nowhere close to a false Police report.

[E4 No More]

That’s ridiculous, the workers weren’t at fault here the dirt bag with a gun tattooed on his waistband was. Play stupid games; win stupid prizes. In this case the prize was getting rifles pointed at you.
If you were a cop you know you don’t arrest people for calling in what they see and you also know that this is nowhere close to a false Police report.

Really? Dude gets awakened by workers in his yard, throws some pants on, walks outside and tells them to knock it off and leave and you think HE'S at fault? That's ridiculous! And guess what, people get arrested for lying to police. Been going on for decades and is called filing a false report. You could bet that if I knew, (i.e. PROVE), that they LIED in a report I'd arrest them.

[Oh Shoot]

Really? Dude gets awakened by workers in his yard, throws some pants on, walks outside and tells them to knock it off and leave and you think HE'S at fault? That's ridiculous! And guess what, people get arrested for lying to police. Been going on for decades and is called filing a false report. You could bet that if I knew, (i.e. PROVE), that they LIED in a report I'd arrest them.

 

Legitimate tree trimming crew contracted by local utilities board doing their job, and a guy comes out and yells at them to quit, and from a distance appears he has a gun prominently displayed.

 

Seems reasonable to me that those guys had a reasonable cause for apprehension, can't reasonably keep working but then reasonably can't not do the job they promised to do, so reasonably call the authorities, who reasonably show up to check things out, and they reasonably don't arrest anyone after reasonably assessing the situation.

 

What do you find unreasonable about any of it?

 

- OS

[TMF]

Wait, there are people in Maine with tattoos??? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[E4 No More]

Legitimate tree trimming crew contracted by local utilities board doing their job, and a guy comes out and yells at them to quit, and from a distance appears he has a gun prominently displayed.

 

Seems reasonable to me that those guys had a reasonable cause for apprehension, can't reasonably keep working but then reasonably can't not do the job they promised to do, so reasonably call the authorities, who reasonably show up to check things out, and they reasonably don't arrest anyone after reasonably assessing the situation.

 

What do you find unreasonable about any of it?

 

- OS

Depending on the distance, not getting your eyes checked is unreasonable. What was the distance? Do you or anyone else know? From my front door to my street I could tell a tattoo from a gun in the belt.

[Jonnin]

Depending on the distance, not getting your eyes checked is unreasonable. What was the distance? Do you or anyone else know? From my front door to my street I could tell a tattoo from a gun in the belt.

 

Did you SEE that picture?  I could not tell it was fake at a glance from a distance if the guy is moving around etc.   Eventually, yes, it would become clear if he moved in a way that his clothing was obviously incorrect, but that thing LOOKS real.  And we are gun people, what would a poor sheep see? 

 

My eyes are not 20-20, but even if they were, the tat looks like a real gun handle, and without a 3-d perspective of it an a chance to really study it, it would fool many a person.

 

The pic really shows it and its clearly fake there -- trigger is exposed and simple physics tells a gun person it could not be stuck in there like that due to gravity.  But if his pants were up and only the top 2/3 of the grip were showing, it would be very hard to tell.

 

I keep seeing an XMEN moment here  ....

LEO "Put the gun down"

Redneck "I cant"

Edited March 20, 2014 by Jonnin

[E4 No More]

Did you SEE that picture?  I could not tell it was fake at a glance from a distance if the guy is moving around etc.   Eventually, yes, it would become clear if he moved in a way that his clothing was obviously incorrect, but that thing LOOKS real.  And we are gun people, what would a poor sheep see? 

 

My eyes are not 20-20, but even if they were, the tat looks like a real gun handle, and without a 3-d perspective of it an a chance to really study it, it would fool many a person.

 

The pic really shows it and its clearly fake there -- trigger is exposed and simple physics tells a gun person it could not be stuck in there like that due to gravity.  But if his pants were up and only the top 2/3 of the grip were showing, it would be very hard to tell.

 

I keep seeing an XMEN moment here  ....

LEO "Put the gun down"

Redneck "I cant"

Yes, not only did I see the picture but I've seen the same type of tattoos in real life. They made me take a double-take, but I could determine the difference. I have 20/30 in my dominate eye, but I also have depth perception that you do not get from a picture.

[Oh Shoot]

Depending on the distance, not getting your eyes checked is unreasonable. What was the distance? Do you or anyone else know? From my front door to my street I could tell a tattoo from a gun in the belt.

 

Whatever. Perhaps your vision and depth perception is better than average and you would have seen it differently from the same distance as these tree trimmers. Who knows?

 

It's not particularly rare that cops shoot people at short ranges for what they perceive as a firearm in someone's hands, when it actually wasn't, and they have at least a degree of professional training.

 

And another thing. Temp was freezing with snow on the ground when he did it, and stepping shirtless outside in conditions like that very well may have contributed to the reasonable reaction that he was making it plain he was showing a gun to back up his verbal demands.

 

- OS

[E4 No More]

Whatever. Perhaps your vision and depth perception is better than average and you would have seen it differently from the same distance as these tree trimmers. Who knows?

 

It's not particularly rare that cops shoot people at short ranges for what they perceive as a firearm in someone's hands, when it actually wasn't, and they have at least a degree of professional training.

 

And another thing. Temp was freezing with snow on the ground when he did it, and stepping shirtless outside in conditions like that very well may have contributed to the reasonable reaction that he was making it plain he was showing a gun to back up his verbal demands.

 

- OS

That is entirely possible. At the end of the day we are all second-guessing.

[E4 No More]

When I was a LEO in Missouri where you are perfectly within your rights to open carry a handgun, my contact with the complainant would be something like this:

 

Me: Good morning sir. You reported a man with a gun?

 

Worker: Yes, officer. We were just doing our jobs trimming these trees when this fella comes out of that house over there and yells at us to knock it off and leave, and he had a gun.

 

Me: Where was this gun?

 

Worker: He had it tucked in the waist of his jeans.

 

Me: If it was in his jeans how did you see the gun?

 

Worker: He wasn't wearing a shirt, and I could see the top of the gun sticking out.

 

Me: At any time did he point the gun at you and threaten you with it?

 

Worker: No, it stayed in his jeans.

 

Me: Did he make any threats of pulling out the gun and using it on you?

 

Worker: No, he just yelled at us to leave.

 

Me: Were you ever on his property?

 

Worker: No, we only work on the easement where we are supposed to work.

 

Me: From what you are telling me he has committed no crime, but I will go talk to him and get his side of the story. I'll also let him know that you are not doing anything unlawful at this time either.

[Guest carter]

Did you read the story you posted? He was telling a story about a time he was arrested on a warrant for an unpaid fine. It had nothing to do with this incident. RIF.
 
No one was brandishing a gun; there was no gun. But apparently the workers though he had a gun stuck down the front of his pants.
You don’t need to have a gun in your hand to make a threat. If you walk out of your house and threaten someone and have a gun stuck in the front of your pants; the chances are pretty good you will be defending yourself on a felony aggravated assault charge.
 
I’m guessing… “There is a nut out here with a gun; send someone out.”

yes i read the story i posted lol it is talking about how police are called for a man with a gun...he hired tree cutting people to clear some trees off his property and went out to yell at the for being too loud, just so happened he had his shirt off when he did it and they thought he was carrying a gun in is waist band... did you read the article?  what story are you reading?

Edited March 21, 2014 by carter

[Garufa]

yes i read the story i posted lol it is talking about how police are called for a man with a gun...he hired tree cutting people to clear some trees off his property and went out to yell at the for being too loud, just so happened he had his shirt off when he did it and they thought he was carrying a gun in is waist band... did you read the article?  

 

He who hired the tree cutting people?  Did you read the article?

Edited March 21, 2014 by Garufa

[Guest carter]

He who hired the tree cutting people?  Did you read the article?

told/hired same difference... 

[Garufa]

The nazi did not hire the guys, the utility company did.  He simply told them to "clear off his property",  in other words go away.

Edited March 21, 2014 by Garufa