pain medicatons????

[bersaguy]

Well, I called to get my prescriptions refilled as I do every month for the last 10 years only to learn that they cannot refill my pain prescriptions that I have been taking  as needed for last 10 years. All of a sudden the FDA decided that they are harmful to patients and ordered them pulled from all drug store shelves. So now I need to go back to my doctor early to see what else is available for me. The only issue I have is they could have at least waiting for such time as all refills were made before pulling them. I had heard rumors that folks that were on them have their doctors as mad as their patients about this. I now have to go on Monday and see my doctor about what she can recommend as an alternative to what I have been taking. The product I was taking contained acetaminophen which is Tylenol. I thought back when this product came on the market to replace aspirin  as a pain reliever it was suppose to me the miracle drug of all miracle drugs and doctors praised them. Now they are not good for you. What a surprise, NOT!!! This is done far to often. I listen to all these advertisements of all these new medications on TV and when I get done listening to all the things it could do to kill you and then they add the most common side effects I could puke. It seems that about every thing they offer can make people prone to suicide regardless of what the drug is designed to treat. I think it might be the governments way of getting people to request the drug from their doctor and once they get it the Feds can use it as an excuse to possibly come for your guns once on it because of the suicide side effect of the drug. I would not put it past them. I told my doctor a long time ago to not ever attempt to write me any scripts that have those side effects of I would find a new doctor. She has been my doctor for 15 years now and she is totally against drug companies practicing medicine without a license which is all they are doing when they place ads on Television .................jmho

Edited March 15, 2014 by bersaguy

[Oh Shoot]

FDA has been trying to get manufacturers to phase out prescription drugs with single pill dosages of over 325mg of acetaminophen for several years, especially those that combine it with a narcotic.

 

If it turns out the acetaminophen is itself the difference in your pain control, you can take the risk and still just buy it over the counter, though.

 

- OS

Edited March 15, 2014 by Oh Shoot

[Nynick81]

To be honest I've taken pain meds with and without the acetaminophen, and I never noticed a difference in pain control.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

A longterm problem with narcotics with acetaminophen, is health hazards to illegal abusers of the pills, who consume handfuls of the pills per day. Causing liver damage, especially if mixed with alcohol. And there are also the valid patients in so much pain that they take more than the prescribed amount.

 

Making the tylenol more dangerous to health than the narcotic, in the large doses.

 

Maybe that is the reason for the fda discouraging those formulations?

[TMF]

This has to do with people being stoopid and not following instructions. Punish the many for the stoopidness of the few. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[Oh Shoot]

.....Making the tylenol more dangerous to health than the narcotic, in the large doses.

 

Maybe that is the reason for the fda discouraging those formulations?

 

Yep, and because any containing a narcotic are more likely to be overused in the first place.

 

- OS

[Sam1]

similar situation going on with hydrocodone now, some woman's son was hooked on it and OD'd (for a couple of years IIRC), so she decided that it was bad for the rest of the country and has been working to get it rescheduled on the same level as oxycodone.

 

Sorry lady, but your son was an idiot.  How about we come and take the tires off your car and say you can only have 1 set per 5 years because a drunk driver killed himself 7 states away?

[Dolomite_supafly]

Call our reps and try to legalize MJ. I have done a lot of research and certain strains actually work better than most modern pain medications and they do it without the euphoric feeling.

There are two basic strains of MJ. One has the euphoric feeling without pain relief and the has pain relief without the euphoric feeling. Then there are strains combining the two. The euphoric strain has concentrations of THC and the pain relieving strain has CBD.

I have never smoked MJ but I believe it should be an option for people who have debilitating, chronic pain.

It can't be any worse than the current pain medications.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

I have only taken those thangs a couple of times for post op pain and a kidney stone. The narcotics to me are about as unpleasant as the pain, especially the nausea.

 

But wondered at the inclusion of the tylenol in any of the pills. Reasoning if somebdy is smart enough to take the narcotic as directed, then they ought to be also smart enough to take an additional tylenol pill if that is directed?

 

I had wondered if the tylenol might have been added as a discouragement to abuse, making large doses more poisonous. But if that was a motivation, then obviously the idea didn't work. :)

 

In the hospital, they charge more than the walmart price of a jumbo bottle of tylenol, for every single dose of tylenol given to the patient. Crazy prices. So maybe for hospital dispensing the combination could save a patient (or the insurance company) hundreds of dollars in drug costs over a few days?

[Sam1]

There is some company in the UK I believe it was that had synthesized MJ into a form where the pain relief chemicals of it were able to be separated from the parts that actually make you high and it has apparently had great results from people who used it.

 

Can't really be productive at work if you were stoned all the time, so this one would really help out a lot of people.

[Oh Shoot]

similar situation going on with hydrocodone now, some woman's son was hooked on it and OD'd (for a couple of years IIRC), so she decided that it was bad for the rest of the country and has been working to get it rescheduled on the same level as oxycodone.

 

Both are already Schedule II drugs here. It's just that the hydro becomes Schedule III in doses of 15mg or less in combination with non-controlled drug, most commonly an NSAID, which is the way it's most often prescribed.

 

- OS

[Dolomite_supafly]

There is some company in the UK I believe it was that had synthesized MJ into a form where the pain relief chemicals of it were able to be separated from the parts that actually make you high and it has apparently had great results from people who used it.

 

Can't really be productive at work if you were stoned all the time, so this one would really help out a lot of people.

They actually have it here, matter of fact there are quite a few available. Marinol is the most common one. Believe it or not but some of MJ based medications are for memory improvement as well as appetite suppressant. But the problem with these medications is they are either synthesized versions or versions with only one ingredient of MJ. MJ works so well because it is a combination of various compounds. When you only use one ingredient it is like having a pizza with no toppings, yeah it might get rid of your hunger but it isn't a pleasant way to get rid of it.

 

The CBD version of MJ actually does not have the euphoric effect like the THC version. Because most people want the euphoric effect most people who smoked MJ got the THC version and not the CBD version. In states where MJ is legal you can have a CBD version, a THC version or a combination depending on what you are looking for. There are a lot of people on the CBD version who live normal lives while actively taking it. The CBD version is what most people who are looking for pain relief use.

 

There is so many benefits we are not aware of with MJ because it is illegal. If it were legalized there would be a lot of studies to find out what else it could help. It is not a miracle drug but there is enough evidence now to support the fact it should be made available at least as a medicinal option. It has been credited with helping tens of thousands, if not more, live a normal life. From people who have debilitating seizures, to HIV treatment, to making cancer patients live a more peaceful life as well as tons of other ailments it helps.

 

Legalizing it also helps from a fiscal standpoint from taxes as well as freeing up prison space. And if it became legalized it doesn't mean we will be overrun by anti gun hippies.

[klamb5]

I have a friend from high school , he had a bad knee and was very over weight , he took Tylenol for years for pain . He is now having liver failure from the tylenol .I just had cervical disectomy and fusion of L4-L7 took scrip. for two days and use OTC if I really need it , dont trust any of this man made stuff for long its not good in the long haul.

[bersaguy]

Well, I think any medication over the long haul will damage you somehow. I just know that drug companies spend millions of dollars to produce pain medications designed to help people not suffer serious pain especially as they age because when they were young they drove their bodies like freight trains with blind regard for the future which I was guilty of when I was young and dumb. I raced circle track cars ,had some serious wrecks and some serious fun and then I was a mechanic for 35 years and would work 6 days a week to provide for my family and I literately wore my body out along with beating it up. If I knew then what I know now I may have done things a lot different but hind sight is always 20/20. Now if I wake up on any day and I am not in serious pain while getting out of bed it scares the hell out of me cause I think I have died. If I raise my arms even close to shoulder level the pain begins almost immediately and I have to lower them. My fishing days are about over because standing up trying to fish and operate the trolling motor lasts about 30 minutes and I either take a pain pill or trailer the boat. Most times I trailer the boat because I don't want to drive a boat or drive home shortly after taking a pain medication so I grit my teeth on the drive home and take my meds once I am at home. Now they say I cannot have the meds and my doctor and I will have to talk Monday and see what she has to offer as a replacement. A couple of my friends that were on the same medications just got their new ones and their doctor is prescribing them 10/275 Hydrocodone tablets. I have spoke with a couple of them and they said they work but just takes a little longer. As long as they work I can give the more time to kick in. Thing I don't understand is they are still giving a patient 275 Mg of Tylenol instead of the 500 in the previous ones folks were getting so just what has the FDA accomplished in this. Any one that wanted to could go buy a bottle of Tylenol over the counter, take a pain pill and one Tylenol tablet and have what they were prescribed in the beginning........................ :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: I don't plan on doing that if my doctor writes me the 10/275's. I will just let them take a little longer to work. I am not in that much of a hurry to do anything any more.............. :rofl:  :rofl:     

[Guest theconstitutionrocks]

I don't begrudge prescription narcotics to anyone who needs them to manage/control chronic pain that can't be relieved by OTC stuff. That said I think the powers that be have gotten in the habit of sticking their fingers way too deep in the lives of ordinary Americans (WE will tell you what you need and decide if you need it, not you). For the non-chronic stuff (broken ankle for example) narcotics do have their place...temporarily. JMHO, I go with OTC unless I just can't deal with it.