Gun confiscation is on the table in Conn.

[RobertNashville]

The officials in Connecticut are going to huff and puff and then send this issue to  a study committee or some other such nonsense.  They will never admit that they've lost on this issue but they have.  CT can no more confiscate all the "assault" weapons and "high capacity" magazines in the state and the people that own them any more than FDR could get all the gold that was in private hands back in '33.

Edited February 25, 2014 by RobertNashville

[Chucktshoes]

The way I read it, he was saying that 100,000 law abiding citizens just told the state to shove their law up their ass, even though it made them felons. He speculates that around 3% of them will actually defend themselves with their weapons. Is that a threat or a warning?

It's good manners.

[mikegideon]

You may be right about them trying their luck with a few, but I imagine those will be extenuating circumstances rather than just a guy who bought an AR15 once. I predict it will be folks who have broken some other law or have been reported to have an "illegal assault rifle", which, sadly at this point, is on equal footing with having narcotics with intent to distribute in that state. I don't predict them simply getting a 4473 and then getting a warrant. It certainly wouldn't rise to the level of PC. In fact, I suppose a precedent being set by obtaining a 4473 and executing a search warrant based in that would result in that whole 3% thing we keep hearing about.

No, this is bad but this isn't "it". I admire the vigilance but do not believe the "call to arms" as it were, at least for any reason other than to make liberals scared.


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I don't think it's a call to arms. I think it's another increase in tensions. Bear poking is a funny thing. Getting your face eaten is usually a lot more about timing than the force of the last poke. When you have a huge mass of people (I have used 100,000 in a couple of posts, and the NRA is using 300,000) that are willing to commit a felony to stand for their rights, you're talking lots of potential energy. Those folks are risking something real, and there's a whole bunch of them. So... what if the state insist on enforcing that stupid law?

 

Personally, if we're gonna have it out with these commies, there's no better place than the Constitution State, where the Mothers Against Icky Guns and the Soda Nazi can smell the damn gun powder. :)

[Chucktshoes]

I don't think it's a call to arms. I think it's another increase in tensions. Bear poking is a funny thing. Getting your face eaten is usually a lot more about timing than the force of the last poke. When you have a huge mass of people (I have used 100,000 in a couple of posts, and the NRA is using 300,000) that are willing to commit a felony to stand for their rights, you're talking lots of potential energy. Those folks are risking something real, and there's a whole bunch of them. So... what if the state insist on enforcing that stupid law?

 

Personally, if we're gonna have it out with these commies, there's no better place than the Constitution State, where the Mothers Against Icky Guns and the Soda Nazi can smell the damn gun powder. :)

Did you see MVB's most recent post on the matter?

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/02/a-sipsey-street-public-service.html

[mikegideon]

Did you see MVB's most recent post on the matter?

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/02/a-sipsey-street-public-service.html

 

I have now. Commie Mommies vs. Yankee Rednecks. Could be a helluva show :)

[npgunner]

[quote name="DaveTN" post="1116327" timestamp="1393332230"]Hitler was in Nazi Germany, Connecticut is in the United States. You may believe that the cops will kick in doors and scare people into compliance; but I do not. What Connecticut is doing is wrong; they will have to be told that, either by the voters at the polls or by the courts. Anything is possible, but without exigent circumstances or plain view, they need a warrant to kick a door on a house. One incident is all it would take. I believe they will make these arrests as they come into contact with these weapons and owners. Traffic stops, Domestic violence calls, burglary calls, house fires, etc. A person threatening to kill cops doesn’t scare anyone. Vanderboegh will soon be in prison or a mental institution. He’s just another one of these nut cases that thinks he wants a war. He would die where he makes his stand; as a criminal. But he won’t; he’s just a bunch on noise.[/quote] ... Boston, post-marathon bombing, hundreds to thousands of police trolling the streets forcing any and all out of their homes at gun point for warrantless searches ... ... gun confiscation after Katrina ... the .gov recording and tracking phone calls of millions of Americans ... unregulated assassination of US citizens by unseen drones ... but this would never happen in America

[RobertNashville]

... Boston, post-marathon bombing, hundreds to thousands of police trolling the streets forcing any and all out of their homes at gun point for warrantless searches ... ... gun confiscation after Katrina ... the .gov recording and tracking phone calls of millions of Americans ... unregulated assassination of US citizens by unseen drones ... but this would never happen in America

If you are really that worried about it then you probably shouldn't be posting anything on a firearm-related forum. :panic:

[npgunner]

[quote name="RobertNashville" post="1116518" timestamp="1393356942"]If you are really that worried about it then you probably shouldn't be posting anything on a firearm-related forum. :panic:[/quote] I understand that ... and am not personally that worried about it. ... but also don't bury my head in the sand and turn a blind eye to events that people say the Constitution will protect us from.

[jphillips63]

Let's back up 10-20 years. And think how our lives were then, how we could go hunt where we wanted leave our homes unlocked as we left, we even had neighbors we knew and knew well. Now fast forward to today, think of the changes and see them in your mind and real life. This is real no matter how we slice it. The liberals have been working toward this for many years it's not something they have drummed up overnight. Look at that video and now realize it's happening today and it will get worse. Those that keep saying it's not going to happen because we have the constitution you just keep on thinking that. But when it does guess what? You will be the first they hit and hit hard and all you will do is sit there in disbelief and be mad. Life today is about choice you can choose how ever you feel fit to, but thing is no matter what that's not going to change the disarment of America. I think Australia should really be another good example. Bottom line it's all in writing and the stages are set and it's just matter of time mark my words. No I'm no god or can read the future but I'm well aware of what I see and hear. As a group we are strong and we are greater but individually we are weak and they become strong and they become even more stronger as they break us down one at a time.

[Guest Emtdaddy1980]

I have now. Commie Mommies vs. Yankee Rednecks. Could be a helluva show :)

As someone who spent their firdt 16 yrs of life in very rural NH, I can tell you that there are in fact some shining examples of gratuitous redneckery in the New England states.

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[JohnC]

... Boston, post-marathon bombing, hundreds to thousands of police trolling the streets forcing any and all out of their homes at gun point for warrantless searches ... ... gun confiscation after Katrina ... the .gov recording and tracking phone calls of millions of Americans ... unregulated assassination of US citizens by unseen drones ... but this would never happen in America

That was another case I was going to post. Grab a video if you can still find one of this crap and post it here. Edited February 25, 2014 by JohnC

[RobertNashville]

... unregulated assassination of US citizens by unseen drones...

By the way; just what unregulated assassinations of U.S. citizens are you talking  about???

[npgunner]

[quote name="RobertNashville" post="1116593" timestamp="1393366455"]By the way; just what unregulated assassinations of U.S. citizens are you talking about???[/quote] A quick google search lead me here ... I didn't search the forums but I'm sure it's been discussed. There are some other, slightly more unreliable reports of other uses of drones to take out American citizens ... http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/30/politics/targeting-us-citizens/

[npgunner]

By the way ... I understand the guy was a terrorist and were probably better off without him around ... ... but soon any white male openly 2A defenders may also be deemed terrorist (see: [url="http://mediatrackers.org/ohio/2014/02/10/ohio-national-guard-training-envisions-right-wing-terrorism"]http://mediatrackers.org/ohio/2014/02/10/ohio-national-guard-training-envisions-right-wing-terrorism[/url]) Edited February 25, 2014 by npgunner

[DaveTN]

... Boston, post-marathon bombing, hundreds to thousands of police trolling the streets forcing any and all out of their homes at gun point for warrantless searches ... ...

Show me the complaints; it didn’t happen. No searches went down without cause; a warrant is not always needed. You don’t see any Boston citizens complaining; just people on forums that weren’t there.

gun confiscation after Katrina ...

Yep, an isolated incident, and many states passed legislation so it wouldn’t happen again. But thank God it happened so the tinfoil hats have some credibility.
 

the .gov recording and tracking phone calls of millions of Americans ...

If you say so.... I’ll try to watch who I call.
 

unregulated assassination of US citizens by unseen drones ...

Yes, and can we have more please. When you are an enemy combatant in a foreign land the fact that your were born here gains you nothing.
 

but this would never happen in America

:drama: Bad things happen; you can never say never.

[DaveTN]

That was another case I was going to post. Grab a video if you can still find one of this crap and post it here.

And while you are rummaging around for videos; find the videos of the Boston citizens that had their rights violated.

[DaveTN]

A quick google search lead me here ... I didn't search the forums but I'm sure it's been discussed. There are some other, slightly more unreliable reports of other uses of drones to take out American citizens ... http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/30/politics/targeting-us-citizens/

 You so don’t really know anything about any drone strikes; you just thought posting it would sound good?
 

By the way ... I understand the guy was a terrorist and were probably better off without him around ...
... but soon any white male openly 2A defenders may also be deemed terrorist (see: http://mediatrackers.org/ohio/2014/02/10/ohio-national-guard-training-envisions-right-wing-terrorism)

And because an enemy combatant was killed in another country; those of us standing up for our rights are going to be killed? That’s quite a leap.

[JohnC]

Yep, an isolated incident, and many states passed legislation so it wouldn’t happen again. But thank God it happened so the tinfoil hats have some credibility.

I guess the constitution and laws already in place at the time protected those citizens while their guns were being confiscated during Katrina, right? :rolleyes:

[DaveTN]

I guess the constitution and laws already in place at the time protected those citizens while their guns were being confiscated during Katrina, right? :rolleyes:

Obviously not.

[JohnC]

Obviously not.

Then maybe you get it now, or are you just arguing for the sake of ________? :confused:

[sigmtnman]

It's Dave, he's like that.  The Constitution is just an old piece of paper to him.

[DaveTN]

Then maybe you get it now, or are you just arguing for the sake of ________? :confused:

I’m not arguing; I’m discussing facts. Like the fact that I am not one bit worried that someone from the government is going to come to my home in Tennessee and want to seize my guns. Or the fact that I don’t fear a drone strike on my house because I am trying to get a bill passed that would allow carry by all citizens.
 
How tight do you have to have your tinfoil hat screwed on to believe that kind of garbage, and what are you suggesting the people that believe it do?

[DaveTN]

It's Dave, he's like that.  The Constitution is just an old piece of paper to him.

That’s it? That’s what you have? You can’t discuss so you go to personal attacks?

I’m a Patriot, I’m proud of my country, my military and the American people. The executive branch is having some problems right now, but the majority of the people put than man there and we will have to deal with it.

I fear no man, and especially not a cop or a military man. Don’t be scared, don’t live in fear.

[sigmtnman]

That’s it? That’s what you have? You can’t discuss so you go to personal attacks?

I’m a Patriot, I’m proud of my country, my military and the American people. The executive branch is having some problems right now, but the majority of the people put than man there and we will have to deal with it.

I fear no man, and especially not a cop or a military man. Don’t be scared, don’t live in fear.

 

Gee, I didn't think it was a personal attack.  You said you would not hang your hopes on a dog like the 2nd.  You continue to go on about the law being superior to the Constitution.  How else should that be taken?

 

Obviously you don't get what I've stated over and over, I have no fear of the .gov.  They can do what they want and I will keep doing what I want as long as I don't encroach on someone else' freedoms.  Stop confusing discussing the natural possible outcomes or progression as fear.  It's called not sticking your head in the sand.

 

Do you not continue to write off every encroachment as nothing?  A few posts back you did.  But it would appear you agreed with those scenarios and can't detect the slippery slope...

 

And stop being such a hypocrite crying about personal attacks anyway.  You don't agree, so you malign folks by calling them tinfoil hatters...

 

 

How tight do you have to have your tinfoil hat screwed on to believe that kind of garbage, and what are you suggesting the people that believe it do?

Edited February 26, 2014 by sigmtnman

[JohnC]

Dave,

So you admit the Constitution and current laws did not protect the citizens and keep the local Government from confiscating guns during the Katrina disaster, but you still think passing more laws (that have only passed in a few states) will actually protect us from gun confiscation in the future? :lol:
 

I’m not arguing; I’m discussing facts. Like the fact that I am not one bit worried that someone from the government is going to come to my home in Tennessee and want to seize my guns. Or the fact that I don’t fear a drone strike on my house because I am trying to get a bill passed that would allow carry by all citizens.

How tight do you have to have your tinfoil hat screwed on to believe that kind of garbage, and what are you suggesting the people that believe it do?

First off, we're not discussing TN. We're discussing the Gone-To-Hell state of Connecticut and the current AWR!

Please point out, specifically, where anyone here said "someone from the government is going to come to my home in Tennessee and want to seize my guns. I fear a drone strike on my house because I am trying to get a bill passed that would allow carry by all citizens."

Do you always make up your own arguments? Red Herring? Do you always see things, in your own mind, in the absolute most extreme interpretations? :rolleyes: