For those who believe otherwise...

[Oh Shoot]

You misunderstand me. I want BOTH parties gone. Not just one. 

 

Dream on. Even if somehow magically abandoned, the loaded deck money flow would recreate their replacements into pretty much identical entities.

 

- OS

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Or potentially something much worse.

[Guest TresOsos]

Well, where we are headed now....it can't get much worse.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I haven't , but did you somehow live in Soviet
Russia, or Nazi Germany? We haven't gotten
that far, but those are good examples of what
I think are down the pike. Granted, it wouldn't
take much to get there, but it needs to be fought
at the ballot box before choices are made for us.

[Guest TresOsos]

I am always amazed how optimism , has little to do with Reality

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I don't quite understand what you mean. Optimism has to be surrounded by people willing to fight for their ideology, which in my case,

is the Constitution. If you wish to call that optimism, I'm guilty. Reality is where you are, whether or not you see it for what it is, and

sometimes that reality has to be challenged, since someone else forced that reality upon you. Make any sense, now?

[Defender]

As much as I despise voting for the lesser of two evils, unless enough of us choose to support a viable GOP challenger in the primary, or vote for  a viable 3rd party candidate (and look how good that worked when Ross Perot swung enough conservative votes to elect Bill Clinton), the third greater 'evil" would be to just throw away your vote.  I dont even consider myself a real Republican, but I do what i have to do to be able to vote in the Republican primary so I can make my choice then. After that point, the only real choice is to help the Democrats, and as bad as I think most Republican nominees are, NOT voting or otherwise throwing away my vote only helps the Dems get or stay in power.  Im not accusing anyone of being stupid here, because I see your point, but rather than just helping the other side by making a point, I'll do what I CAN TO KEEP THE DEMS OUT.  I plan on voting for Carr over Alexander, and hopefully, he'll win the primary and be a great contender against the Dem candidate.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I can only hope more people will adopt your attitude.

[Guest TresOsos]

I hope Carr beats LALamar in the primary and I will vote for Carr.

But I have no delusions about LALamar.

 

And the reality is the Establishment GOP will not help turn this  out of control governement mess around. They love big Government and power as much as the Democains.

 

They attack conservative Republicains and their idea of fixing ObungoCare is better management.

There is going to have to be a real revolution in the GOP and becoming more like the Democains is not the answer.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

We agree on that. There has to be a lot of change, and the only way to accomplish it is fight
the establishment Republicans and put our guys
up for a vote. Other states have done it. Why can't we? Hell, even the minority senate leader is
facing a challenger in his bid for re-election. It's the only way , short of giving up and waiting for some worse fate.

But hope isn't the answer, ground game is. Edited January 22, 2014 by 6.8 AR

[Guest TresOsos]

We agree on that. There has to be a lot of change, and the only way to accomplish it is fight
the establishment Republicans and put our guys
up for a vote. Other states have done it. Why can't we? Hell, even the minority senate leader is
facing a challenger in his bid for re-election. It's the only way , short of giving up and waiting for some worse fate.

But hope isn't the answer, ground game is.

And continuing to vote for those establishment Republicrats that have continued to thumb their noises at the people who have elected them, just rewards them, it does not teach them the lesson they need to learn. I understand about timing etc, however no time is ever going to be a good time, that's just the way the game is rigged. Yes, things may have to get worse before they get better, but taking a gamble is better than a slow agonizing death at the hands of two pyshcopathic parties.

 

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

It has not worked, is not going to work, stop being drawn into their insanity, do something different.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I hope you're not saying give up the fight in the
meantime. There have been several wins in the
House and senate, last few years, and it is the
start of a trend, however slow.

It has nothing to do with that overused and cliched to death statement. If it had, there wouldn't be a Tea Party, nor the Cruz's, Pence's
or Lee's winning their elections. Those are but a few.
We need to start winning hearts and minds, instead of leaving that domain to the enemy.
Giving up concedes defeat. Edited January 22, 2014 by 6.8 AR

[Guest TresOsos]

I hope you're not saying give up the fight in the
meantime. There have been several wins in the
House and senate, last few years, and it is the
start of a trend, however slow.

It has nothing to do with that overused and cliched to death statement. If it had, there wouldn't be a Tea Party, nor the Cruz's, Pence's
or Lee's winning their elections. Those are but a few.
We need to start winning hearts and minds, instead of leaving that domain to the enemy.
Giving up concedes defeat.

I'm not saying give up the fight, I'm say that reguardless of the cost, under no circumstance give Lame Ass Lamar another six year term.

Yes it may get a Democian elected, but it will send a message Corkie Corker ( lap dog that he is), get inline with the Conservative voters of the state or suffer the same fate.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

That's why I have been tooting the horn so long
about Carr. I'm glad we agree.

[LagerHead]

Dream on. Even if somehow magically abandoned, the loaded deck money flow would recreate their replacements into pretty much identical entities.

 

- OS

 

I never said it was realistic. But both parties are bought and paid for, period. The sad thing is, you can't even say that they have different masters, because they don't. They are all bought and paid for by the same people and corporations. So the substantive difference between them comes down to which rhetoric they spew. But in the end, when for example, the Republicans allow a spending bill to pass that increases our debt ceiling yet again, how are they any different than the Democrats. If you allow it to happen when you could have prevented it, you might as well have been for it the whole time. 

[Guest 6.8 AR]

They're bought and paid for because we give up and allow someone else to put their man in for the election. How do you

fix that?

 

You get involved in the process. If all you want to do is blame it on the money, you've given up.

Edited January 23, 2014 by 6.8 AR