Police running your DL...

[jaxjohn419]

Since my DL and CCW permit have the same license number and picture, does that mean if I was pulled over and a cop ran my DL check, they would inform him of my CCW permit?  Would another state running my DL get that info also?

Edited January 20, 2014 by jaxjohn419

[mikegideon]

They will in TN. Not sure about other states. Somebody smarter than me will probably be along to answer that one.

[PoofNoEyeBrows]

I was instructed to always hand over both as it is considered courteous to the officer. I was also told in my class that yes, they will see that you are a HCP holder once they run you through in TN. I have also been stopped in CA for simply walking across a parking lot in Orange County and when I handed both over the Sherriff kind of freaked out said "sorry sir" and took off. Not indication of whether or not my TN information was visible to him. (No I was not carrying in the PRK)

[Hozzie]

Yes, typically NCIC will tell them you have an hcp.

[jaxjohn419]

A LEO is telling me on my page that when he runs a license, they don't provide that info. It started because of that guy in MD who got pulled over and searched when the cops found out that he has a CCW.

My argument is maybe it doesn't happen in his state, but in TN(and others) it does.
 

I always inform the police if I interact with them. I am not guilty of anything and don't have a need to be sneaky.

[enfield]

I've heard the local dispatcher inform a deputy that a stopped driver has a valid HCP.  She wasn't asked if the driver had one - she volunteered the info.

[RobertNashville]

In TN I believe they will know the moment they run your DL for info.

 

As was said above and as I recommend; when stopped for any reason I hand over both if the officer wants to ask if I'm armed I'll inform him but I've had them not even ask.  Further, if I do it every time I don't have to remember if I'm traveling in a "must inform" state!

[Hozzie]

Every police dispatch system in the country should be running NCIC checks when they run a tag.  Their system may also run local warrants databases, etc, but everyone will receive the exact same NCIC report no matter the state.   There are also state databases sometimes that have additional information.  It may take some extra time for some info to make it to NCIC, but it will get there.  

 

I am not a law enforcement officer, but I have worked with probably 150 agencies around the country setting up the dispatch systems.  They are all running very similar queries for reports against the state and national databases.

[jaxjohn419]

I have always, and will always, inform the officer. My question is concerning other states when I am travelling.

Most of us have seen that story in MD where the guy was pulled over and they searched his car because he had a CCW from FL. A LEO on my page told me that it has to be a B.S. story. I don't believe that at all. I would imagine every state provides different info.

 

Is there any chance these are tied to my license plates too? When I go through NJ, I don't want some cop knowing that I have a CCW license just by seeing me at a redlight and running my plates. It might make hi/her come up with a fictitious reason (didn't use turn signal or improper lane change or something) to pull me over and search.

[RobertNashville]

I have always, and will always, inform the officer. My question is concerning other states when I am travelling.

Most of us have seen that story in MD where the guy was pulled over and they searched his car because he had a CCW from FL. A LEO on my page told me that it has to be a B.S. story. I don't believe that at all. I would imagine every state provides different info.

 

Is there any chance these are tied to my license plates too? When I go through NJ, I don't want some cop knowing that I have a CCW license just by seeing me at a redlight and running my plates. It might make hi/her come up with a fictitious reason (didn't use turn signal or improper lane change or something) to pull me over and search.

I don't think they are tied directly to you tag but I'm sure they can make a match on your name and address.

[TMF]

Every police dispatch system in the country should be running NCIC checks when they run a tag.  Their system may also run local warrants databases, etc, but everyone will receive the exact same NCIC report no matter the state.   There are also state databases sometimes that have additional information.  It may take some extra time for some info to make it to NCIC, but it will get there.  
 

Why would there be information on TN HCP holders in the NCIC system in the form of a database? They're not even allowed to keep firearm purchases on record for more than a business day unless the transfer was denied.

[Hozzie]

I don't think they are tied directly to you tag but I'm sure they can make a match on your name and address.

 

You are correct, they certainly aren't tied to your tag.  The reason it could come up is most of the time, when they run a tag, the systems will also automatically run the registered owner.  Of course, if you're not the owner, no way they will know without running your DL.

[bersaguy]

They are not tied to your license plate but if a LEO is following you and he runs your plate it will give him your name and DL number and then he can run your name and will be informed at that time you have an HCP.. They can find out in a matter of just a few minutes if you have an HCP. Anytime I travel which is slim to none anymore I will always check which states I will be passing through. If they are states known to have very tough gun laws and I want to avoid any possible issue I will change my rote if possible to avoid that state. Also it is smart to check reciprocity in that state to see if they honor TN HCP's......................jmho

[Hozzie]

Why would there be information on TN HCP holders in the NCIC system in the form of a database? They're not even allowed to keep firearm purchases on record for more than a business day unless the transfer was denied.

 

Can't answer that, but I can tell you it does show up.  The laws are different I suppose and since there isn't a law against it, it can show up.  Keep in mind this isn't public information, but law enforcement info.  This isn't the same as TN saying that HCP's are not available anymore to the public.

[bersaguy]

Why would there be information on TN HCP holders in the NCIC system in the form of a database? They're not even allowed to keep firearm purchases on record for more than a business day unless the transfer was denied.

Do you honestly believe they delete your back ground check if your gun purchase is approved? On the back ground check the seller has to list the make model and serial number of the gun you are purchasing to do the back ground check. Why do they have to do that if they are not keeping the records? The background check is suppose to be on you and not you and your purchase............jmho

[mikegideon]

I have always, and will always, inform the officer. My question is concerning other states when I am travelling.

Most of us have seen that story in MD where the guy was pulled over and they searched his car because he had a CCW from FL. A LEO on my page told me that it has to be a B.S. story. I don't believe that at all. I would imagine every state provides different info.

 

Is there any chance these are tied to my license plates too? When I go through NJ, I don't want some cop knowing that I have a CCW license just by seeing me at a redlight and running my plates. It might make hi/her come up with a fictitious reason (didn't use turn signal or improper lane change or something) to pull me over and search.

 

Actually, they searched him because wifey piped up and guessed where the gun might be. Don't give probable cause to the man with SS on his collar.

[TMF]

Can't answer that, but I can tell you it does show up.  The laws are different I suppose and since there isn't a law against it, it can show up.  Keep in mind this isn't public information, but law enforcement info.  This isn't the same as TN saying that HCP's are not available anymore to the public.

It just doesn't make any sense that it would unless that information was voluntarily given by the State of Tennesssee. Perhaps there are other states that volunteer that information to be entered into some sort of NCIC database, but I figure there would be some open source info on that if that were the case. I mean, it shouldn't show up on a NCIC background check for the same reason my fishing license wouldn't show up.

[TMF]

Do you honestly believe they delete your back ground check if your gun purchase is approved? On the back ground check the seller has to list the make model and serial number of the gun you are purchasing to do the back ground check. Why do they have to do that if they are not keeping the records? The background check is suppose to be on you and not you and your purchase............jmho

That is kept on the form. The form would be the only thing tying you to the purchase and that stays with the FFL. NCIC is required to destroy your info within a business day unless you're turned down. I guess they could, but you'd have to explain to me who "they" are and how "they" are able to keep such great OPSEC on it. Simply assuming that there is a great database out there of every gun purchase simply because we don't trust our government doesn't qualify as proof.

[E4 No More]

Don't know if it's changed since I was a LEO in 1993, but we only had access to NCIC which only told us of felony wants/warrants in other states. MULES was for the state that I worked in that would have more local detail.

[mikegideon]

Do you honestly believe they delete your back ground check if your gun purchase is approved? On the back ground check the seller has to list the make model and serial number of the gun you are purchasing to do the back ground check. Why do they have to do that if they are not keeping the records? The background check is suppose to be on you and not you and your purchase............jmho

 

The FFL does keep the records, legally. Doesn't matter what he writes down. What matters is what he has to tell the TBI when he calls it in. The TBI is supposed to dispose of THEIR information. Got nothing to do with the form.

 

Or... what TMF said :)

Edited January 20, 2014 by mikegideon

[Hozzie]

Don't know if it's changed since I was a LEO in 1993, but we only had access to NCIC which only told us of felony wants/warrants in other states. MULES was for the state that I worked in that would have more local detail.

 

Now that you say it, it is quite possible that our system combines multiple reports into one.  There are so many systems now that it is becoming more and more complex.  The last US implementation I did was back in 2006, so things could have changed as well.  In the end, I think it's pretty safe to assume they can get the info on if you have an HCP.

 

I agree with TMF about the firearms purchase records though.  They aren't in NCIC after 24 hours, but I suspect the good old NSA knows what I have bought.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Hozzie

[billyscott]

I have a police frequency scanner. Around here when an officer calls in a DL number the dispatch tells him about your HCP. Valid, suspended, revoked or expired.  Same info as your DL. 

[Guest RebelCowboySnB]

I have a police frequency scanner. Around here when an officer calls in a DL number the dispatch tells him about your HCP. Valid, suspended, revoked or expired.  Same info as your DL. 

Thats how it works no matter what state you get pulled over in. I dont know if Fl has them linked but Tn does. There is no link or even a database in Ga but when they run a Tn DL it comes back with permit info.

[A.J. Holst]

Be scared if they ask, "is your TGO screen name..."

[teecro]

They are not tied to your license plate but if a LEO is following you and he runs your plate it will give him your name and DL number and then he can run your name and will be informed at that time you have an HCP.. They can find out in a matter of just a few minutes if you have an HCP. Anytime I travel which is slim to none anymore I will always check which states I will be passing through. If they are states known to have very tough gun laws and I want to avoid any possible issue I will change my rote if possible to avoid that state. Also it is smart to check reciprocity in that state to see if they honor TN HCP's......................jmho

 

You got the sequence down.... Running a plate will net the registered owner and from there the officer may deside to run the owners name and that will bring up a HCP or in my states case a CPL .... And as to checking reciprocity I never cross a states line without having STUDIED their fact sheet via www.handgunlaw.us beforehand...