Parking lot bill fixes: 3 bills filed

[GKar]

Sen Mark green has filed 3 bills addressing specific issues of last year's sorry-a**ed parking lot legislation:

 

SB 1440 - defines "privately owned motor vehicle" for purposes of the type of vehicle in which a handgun carry permit holder may transport and store a firearm or ammunition in a parking lot

http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Bill/SB1440.pdf

 

SB 1441 - excludes "incidental exposure" from the definition of "ordinary observation" for purposes of lawfully storing and transporting a firearm or firearm ammuniiton in a parking lot

http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Bill/SB1441.pdf

 

SB 1442 - broadens scope of handgun permit holder's right to transport and store a firearm or firearm ammunition in certain motor vehicle parking lots without criminal liability under Tennessee law to include parking lots in which firearms are expressly prohibited by federal law

http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Bill/SB1442.pdf

 

Be interesting to see who supports...even more interesting to see who stands in the way.  In particular, Jeremy Faison...

 

 

 

 

[Oh Shoot]

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SB 1442 - broadens scope of handgun permit holder's right to transport and store a firearm or firearm ammunition in certain motor vehicle parking lots without criminal liability under Tennessee law to include parking lots in which firearms are expressly prohibited by federal law

http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Bill/SB1442.pdf

 

Yeah, TN gonna take on the Feds again, eh?

 

Still waiting on somebody to crank up selling guns or cans out of their garage under the TN Firearm Freedoms Act. I'm sure the legislature will mobilize the Highway Patrol to stop the Feds from arresting him, eh?

 

- OS

Edited January 11, 2014 by Oh Shoot

[JayC]

First bill still doesn't appear to cover passengers in a vehicle....  somebody should email Green and get him to re-file with one more sentence :)

[Guest PapaB]

I wonder why he didn't fix the wording saying the permit holder's privately owned motor vehicle. If 2 people shop at Cool Springs and leave their guns locked in the car they'd have to be family (at least) according to his "fix". Why not change the wording to allow any permit holder to leave a gun in any privately owned motor vehicle which they have permission to use as driver or passenger.

 

JayC got in ahead of me.

[RobertNashville]

One real concern remains the wording "privately owned vehicle"...are leased vehicles covered under the legislation?  What about a rental vehicle while yours is in for repairs?

 

To me, and I suspect to most thinking human beings, unless a vehicle is stolen it's "YOUR VEHICLE" while you are using it just as your hotel room is YOUR HOME and has the same protection under the law as the house you live in.

 

Frankly, much of what is wrong with the current legislation and the whole "parking lot issue" would be solved if TN law made it clear that a person's vehicle (owned, financed, leased, rented or borrowed) is a legal extension of your home and deserving of the exact same protections. Therefore, you can have anything in your "home" at any time provided it's something that is "legal" to possess in the first place.

[DaveTN]

Why didn’t Sen Mark Green file a bill to acknowledge the 2nd amendment rights of all citizens of the state instead of those of us that are part of a “special group” and then all this non-sense would be moot?

Until the state recognizes carry as a right; they don’t have jack squat to say about whether or not a private property owner allows guns on his property.

Carrying a gun in Tennessee is a crime. The state does not allow you to carry a gun on their property but seem to think they can drive the opposite down the throats of private business and industry. Any legislator that takes part in this is part of a thug government and I hope the voters see that.

[RobertNashville]

Why didn’t Sen Mark Green file a bill to acknowledge the 2nd amendment rights of all citizens of the state instead of those of us that are part of a “special group” and then all this non-sense would be moot?...

 

Why?  Because there is no reason to introduce such a bill when it has zero chance of even being given a hearing in committee.  There is no reason to go after the impossible when even getting the possible is extremely difficult under this administration/legislature.

[jtmaze]

[quote name="RobertNashville" post="1093304" timestamp="1389459142"]Why? Because there is no reason to introduce such a bill when it has zero chance of even being given a hearing in committee. There is no reason to go after the impossible when even getting the possible is extremely difficult under this administration/legislature.[/quote] That is the truth of the matter, unfortunately for us. JTM We the People of the United States, in order to form a more Perfect Union......

[DaveTN]

Why?  Because there is no reason to introduce such a bill when it has zero chance of even being given a hearing in committee.  There is no reason to go after the impossible when even getting the possible is extremely difficult under this administration/legislature.

Why would you say that about the Tennessee legislature? Our gun laws here are pretty good. I mean let’s face it; we are reduced to arguing about whether or not a private employer has to recognize our rights when the state doesn’t even do it. If our state government is willing to pistol whip private property owners into submission over guns…. Isn’t it time for the state to recognize guns as a right?

Of course it has zero chance of passing if it is never submitted. The state is pizzed about the threats the Feds are making. I don’t think I’ve seen a better time to make the move.

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[Dustbuster]

The whole thing is stupid. Like its makes a difference if someone has to walk an extra 30 feet to get a gun out of their car parked in a public lot vs fed facility. I agree on a vehicle being an extension of a persons home and the right to keep what u want in your vehicle. Someone must believe this law will keep folks from having access to a firearm when going postal.
No one will be safe until everything in creation is the size of and no sharper than a football....
If they ban guns in cars, then ban pens,knives,nails nail guns ad nauseum... Argh


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 of course it ate my spelling. Edited January 12, 2014 by Dustbuster

[RobertNashville]

Why would you say that about the Tennessee legislature? Our gun laws here are pretty good. I mean let’s face it; we are reduced to arguing about whether or not a private employer has to recognize our rights when the state doesn’t even do it. If our state government is willing to pistol whip private property owners into submission over guns…. Isn’t it time for the state to recognize guns as a right?

Of course it has zero chance of passing if it is never submitted. The state is pizzed about the threats the Feds are making. I don’t think I’ve seen a better time to make the move.

Because I've been involved enough, long enough and had had enough person to person conversations with enough legislators to have a pretty good sense of what is and what isn't possible with the current makeup.

 

This horrid parking lot bill passed last year should be a clear indication that these people have NO intention of actually restoring our full 2A rights.

Anyway, if you think I'm wrong then call your State Senator and State Representative and get them to introduce the bill...assuming you can even get them to do so see how far it gets.

[GKar]

Green withdrew these three.  Has has now collaborated with McCormick(?!?) on the following similar bills:

 

http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Bill/SB1700.pdf

 

http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Bill/SB1701.pdf

 

Interestingly, it seems the House is moving quickly on these - possibly to try and head off any more comprehensive fixes that the triumvirate might find objectionable.  These are simply band-aids...little, tiny band-aids.  Just enough so that Ramsey (who has already said he thinks last years bill is fine as is) and cronies can posture as throwing a pittance to those pointing out the problems with last years bill, while doing nothing to significantly irritate the money that's calling the shots.  That's the only rational reason McCormick suddenly showed up on the scene.  Strangely quiet on all this is last year's House sponsor...wondering if he's just feeling his 'nads caught in a vise, or if he really swallowed Ramsey's line last year...