New DOJ suggestions for school punishment

[jacob]

This crap is starting to get old...seriously http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/10/experts-slam-doj-letter-telling-schools-to-implement-race-based-punishments/

[Randall53]

Yep...and it's far from over. If it ever is over.

[Hozzie]

This is the exact reason why people are racist.

[RED333]

WHAT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS!

So 10 black kids and 20 white kids get caught coming in late in a week.

Does the school punish 10 out of each race?

These idiots are tearing this country apart, piece by piece.

[Monkeyman2500]

Red, I fear the problem is that they are not idiots, and have a preconceived plan that is being executed precisely. Scary stuff man!

[ArmyBrat61]

Our "elected" government is trying, my opinion, to start a race war.......

[chances R]

Well hold on there........give it another 10 -15 yrs and your average Caucasian will be the minority.  I can't wait to reap the benefits..... :surrender:

[DaveTN]

Our "elected" government is trying, my opinion, to start a race war.......

With letters like that going out it seems that way doesn't it?
 

Well hold on there........give it another 10 -15 yrs and your average Caucasian will be the minority.  I can't wait to reap the benefits..... :surrender:

Won’t happen. When whites are the minority everyone will say we have rethought this and decided that showing favoritism to minorities is racist; therefore from here on out minorities will not get special treatment and will be help reasonable for their actions.

[wjh2657]

I am a retired teacher. I spent a good portion of my career as a "Behavior Teacher" or TIP teacher in a self enclosed classroom. The statements in the Daily Caller are not all true nor are they all false. The information that I take exception to in the original letter (available here: http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/edu/documents/dcl.pdf   ) is in their data based on IDEA (Special Ed) students. That data is very slanted as behavioral problems are designated Special Education and are handled in a Special Ed (IDEA) environment) It is  like saying more convicted convicts are likely to be in prison compared to people not sent to prison! That is a given!

Read the letter (all of it) and you will see that it not really a call for "race quotas" for punishment. It does  however totally disregard cultural differences that are more a stimulus to bad behavior than race itself. The letter does not consider all of the contributing factors that have lead to the school discipline problem. If it has a fault it is that the people drafting the letter have been terribly naïve and simplistic.

[No_0ne]

I am a retired teacher. I spent a good portion of my career as a "Behavior Teacher" or TIP teacher in a self enclosed classroom. The statements in the Daily Caller are not all true nor are they all false. The information that I take exception to in the original letter (available here: http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/edu/documents/dcl.pdf   ) is in their data based on IDEA (Special Ed) students. That data is very slanted as behavioral problems are designated Special Education and are handled in a Special Ed (IDEA) environment) It is  like saying more convicted convicts are likely to be in prison compared to people not sent to prison! That is a given!

Read the letter (all of it) and you will see that it not really a call for "race quotas" for punishment. It does  however totally disregard cultural differences that are more a stimulus to bad behavior than race itself. The letter does not consider all of the contributing factors that have lead to the school discipline problem. If it has a fault it is that the people drafting the letter have been terribly naïve and simplistic.

 

Careful now, you are going to muddy the issue by interjecting all these facts...

[runco]

Just LUDICROUS!

[Guest Lowbuster]

I'm not surprised by anything anymore. I feel like I'm the one being discriminated agains anymore

[1pointofview]

If you people would just stop holding other people accountable for their destructive behavior, everything will just be fine. Otherwise,,, RACIST!

[JayC]

Focus on the root cause of the problem...  The Government (on any level) shouldn't be running schools...  Take away public schools and the problem solves itself.

Edited January 12, 2014 by JayC

[Guest copperhead_1911]

Maybe if minority kids were not causing problems they would not be suspended as much.

 

If a white kid and black kid do the same thing and the white kid gets away with it then that is racism

 

if 6 out of 10 black kids are thugs and 2 out of 10 white kids are thugs is not the fault of the educator.

 

No where does holder mention getting off the government plantation ( welfare, wic, food stamps and so forth), he does not talk of the epidemic of single mom households.

 

Classic case of passing the buck and trying to avoid accountability. When my wife was a student teacher a couple years ago had did her teaching in a "black school in an economically challenged area". It was a second grade class.  She actually got lucky. She only had three really bad apples ( jayqwon, nassir, and destant). Do parents ever think before they give these kids names?

 

Anyway destant was upset because the teacher in charge told my wife destant was not allowed to participate in the science class that day because he was not paying attention. That savage threw a chair at ther!!!!!    I was pissed. He did not hit her, but in my day that would have been at least a suspension and possibly an expulsion. He got sent to time out for the rest of the day???

 

I have no doubt the kid will be on the news one day unless he gets a serious intervention.

[Q-tip]

Oddly enough, I agree with Holder's statement about too many cases involving law enforcement when they could just be handled by the school (for non-illegal offenses). Otherwise, his statements are hogwash. 

 

How about this: a kid breaks a rule, he gets punished appropriately. Simple as that. 

[jacob]

[quote name="No_0ne" post="1093045" timestamp="1389404218"]Careful now, you are going to muddy the issue by interjecting all these facts...[/quote] You care to interject some facts of your own to add to the conversation? Or does it make you feel better to try to be clever?

[DaveTN]

A black Attorney General working for a black President and whining about discipline being racist. They both should be ashamed.

Everyone that got that letter should mail it back to Holders office with a note to go pound sand; he is the racist.

[DaveTN]

You care to interject some facts of your own to add to the conversation? Or does it make you feel better to try to be clever?

Facetious….it happens here a lot. I understood what he meant.

[RED333]

EEOC pulled some thing like this a few months back, Holder is just one of many.

[Sam1]

Glad to see something like this happen, now those schools dealing with zero tolerance of guns made of pop tarts are caught in the middle of of a quagmire.

 

This should get really interesting

[jtmaze]

When my girls were in high school a few years ago, my wife had a problem with the principal saying that my daughters hair color was distracting to the teacher. My daughter decided to die her hair red. Using a cheap die kit from wherever, her hair turned out bright red. The school had a policy of only hair colors that were allowed were " natural colors," not necessarily the color you were born with but could be born with. Long story short, my wife had to go down to the school at lunch of all times and point out in the cafeteria about 20 black students with purple and pink hair. Has anyone see a baby born with purple hair lately. The principal couldn't argue and said ok all was good. The schools have taken kids ability to express themselves through dress away. They just want good little slaves. The dress code at that school was so strict that te polo shirts could have no logos for fear that it would have made the less fortunate kids feel bad that they didn't have AE logo in their shirt. The local Walmart actually had to order special shirts that met the school requirements for the kids to buy. Dress code ok. Don't make it impossible. JTM We the People of the United States, in order to form a more Perfect Union......

[Guest copperhead_1911]

Our "elected" government is trying, my opinion, to start a race war.......

I have thought that for awhile. Remember that liberal whites are helping perpetuate it though for power. Remember also whites are the least united race.

[Guest copperhead_1911]

Well hold on there........give it another 10 -15 yrs and your average Caucasian will be the minority.  I can't wait to reap the benefits..... :surrender:

We won't be getting any. Look at the whites in south Africa. that will be our fate or worse.

 

They will try to disarm us first.

[Guest copperhead_1911]

I am a retired teacher. I spent a good portion of my career as a "Behavior Teacher" or TIP teacher in a self enclosed classroom. The statements in the Daily Caller are not all true nor are they all false. The information that I take exception to in the original letter (available here: http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/edu/documents/dcl.pdf   ) is in their data based on IDEA (Special Ed) students. That data is very slanted as behavioral problems are designated Special Education and are handled in a Special Ed (IDEA) environment) It is  like saying more convicted convicts are likely to be in prison compared to people not sent to prison! That is a given!

Read the letter (all of it) and you will see that it not really a call for "race quotas" for punishment. It does  however totally disregard cultural differences that are more a stimulus to bad behavior than race itself. The letter does not consider all of the contributing factors that have lead to the school discipline problem. If it has a fault it is that the people drafting the letter have been terribly naïve and simplistic.

While it is true that is does not call for "quotas", but give them time and it will. 

 

It does discount the fact that black kids are punished more because more sadly are thugs. Now we all know poverty and single parent homes are a factor, but that is still means the kid is choosing the behavior that gets him in trouble.