Prohibited areas in Memphis?

[Dolomite_supafly]

My wife is getting ready to go to Memphis for a few days. I am unable to accompany her so she will be carrying. She has her HCP but I was wondering if there were any areas where she cannot carry on her person or in her vehicle?

Thanks

[Rowdy]

Beale St. At certain times they have the walk thru metal detectors set up.

[Dolomite_supafly]

Ahh ok. We just found out she might not have to go there, thank our lucky stars, so this might be nothing to worry about. Not so much worried about the restrictions but because of the long ass drive from Knoxville to Memphis.

[Chucktshoes]

If you can provide any information as to what parts of town she will be in, etc. I can give a better idea of prohibited areas to watch out for. Along with Beale, all city and county parks and every movie theater in the city is posted. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

[Peace]

They make a public street a gun-free-zone?  Really??  How in the name of sanity is that possible?

[Chucktshoes]

They make a public street a gun-free-zone?  Really??  How in the name of sanity is that possible?

Beale Street isn't really a public street. It is, and it isn't all at the same time. The section of the street considered as the "historic" section was leased to a private management firm back at the beginning of the 80's. Since that time it has been given special licenses to allow the serving and consumption of alcohol in the open and also longer serving hours than the rest of the state. That section of Beale is essentially an large open air bar.

[CQB Elite]

I live in Arlington, just outside of Memphis. I hate going into the city, couldn't imagine having to drive from Knoxville to go there. Think I'd rather be poked in the eye with a sharp stick..... Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk

[JayC]

Accept it still appears to be receiving state funds as a road. So technically is still a public road.

Beale Street isn't really a public street. It is, and it isn't all at the same time. The section of the street considered as the "historic" section was leased to a private management firm back at the beginning of the 80's. Since that time it has been given special licenses to allow the serving and consumption of alcohol in the open and also longer serving hours than the rest of the state. That section of Beale is essentially an large open air bar.

[Chucktshoes]

[quote name="JayC" post="1090610" timestamp="1389058511"]Accept it still appears to be receiving state funds as a road. So technically is still a public road. [/quote] Beale Street is a lot bigger than the 2 city blocks that are restricted access at varying times. The MEPS station I inproccessed through was located on Beale St., about a mile away from the bars. Also, those two blocks do not have normal asphalt paving. They have had the original cobblestones restored and that is something that has been underwritten in the past by both public and private funds in partnership. IIRC, the general maintenance is handled by the PMC.

[JayC]

Then where are the funds going that are allocated for that 2 block section?  My guess it's some of the 'public' funds you cite... I don't think the fact that the city pays a private company to maintain the road makes it private property.

 

If it's really an open air bar, let the private businesses pay for all the maintenance of the road...  otherwise it's a public road receiving state and city funds for being a road/sidewalks, and 39-17-1359 doesn't apply to public roads and sidewalks.

 

I've said it before, the only reason this hasn't been struck down as unlawful is because nobody has bothered to file suit against the city.

 

It's a bad idea to allow cities to make special roads and sidewalks and then prohibit lawful carry...   to say this type of behavior could be abused in an 'emergency' isn't too far fetched...  This is a bad loophole.

 

 

Beale Street is a lot bigger than the 2 city blocks that are restricted access at varying times. The MEPS station I inproccessed through was located on Beale St., about a mile away from the bars. Also, those two blocks do not have normal asphalt paving. They have had the original cobblestones restored and that is something that has been underwritten in the past by both public and private funds in partnership. IIRC, the general maintenance is handled by the PMC.

 

[Chucktshoes]

JayC, in principle I am in full agreement with you, but you are not grasping some of the finer details of the way this operation runs. The private management firm that leased that section of Beale does not receive any funds from the city. It manages and maintains that section of Beale and in return collects all the rents from the businesses there. This has been a subject of litigation over the last few years so that situation is fluid as the city maintains that it was due funds it did not receive. When I speak of public/private partnerships I refer mostly to state & federal grants for the restoration of historically significant property. Grants made to a private company.

 

One question, you mention "funds allocated for that 2 block section". Where are you getting the information that breaks down how the City of Memphis allocates road maintenance funds on a block by block basis? As I mentioned before, that section has had its original cobblestones restored and city crews DO NOT ever touch them. Every so often the management company has had to bring in a company to perform those repairs and it is a big enough expense and story that it usually makes the local news in some manner.

 

To reiterate, I agree with you that it is a bad idea to be able to carve out these types of exceptions. I just think you are truly failing to appreciate the uniqueness of the situation with regards to Beale Street. Is there anywhere else in the state where it is legal to serve booze openly on the street until 5am?
 

[JayC]

There are over 150 special liquor licenses baked into state law for 'special licenses'...  many have no mention of closing times nor prohibiting them from serving open air.  Beale Street is just one of these special licenses listed in state law.... and don't get me started on those special licenses :)

 

I still suspect something is going on funny here...  I don't live in Memphis and don't care enough to visit for it to matter... but I'm willing to bet a beer that if somebody digged deep enough they'd see something not right about state and city funding of road/sidewalk repairs and Beale Street and all the state highways and routes it crosses and receives funding from...  Either the city is claiming it as a public road for funding purposes and spending the money elsewhere...  or it's paying the money to the private management company to maintain the road ans sidewalks (and when I saw pay, it might not be pay but might be reductions in fees based on costs spent fixing the road).

 

But maybe I'm wrong ;)

 

JayC, in principle I am in full agreement with you, but you are not grasping some of the finer details of the way this operation runs. The private management firm that leased that section of Beale does not receive any funds from the city. It manages and maintains that section of Beale and in return collects all the rents from the businesses there. This has been a subject of litigation over the last few years so that situation is fluid as the city maintains that it was due funds it did not receive. When I speak of public/private partnerships I refer mostly to state & federal grants for the restoration of historically significant property. Grants made to a private company.

 

One question, you mention "funds allocated for that 2 block section". Where are you getting the information that breaks down how the City of Memphis allocates road maintenance funds on a block by block basis? As I mentioned before, that section has had its original cobblestones restored and city crews DO NOT ever touch them. Every so often the management company has had to bring in a company to perform those repairs and it is a big enough expense and story that it usually makes the local news in some manner.

 

To reiterate, I agree with you that it is a bad idea to be able to carve out these types of exceptions. I just think you are truly failing to appreciate the uniqueness of the situation with regards to Beale Street. Is there anywhere else in the state where it is legal to serve booze openly on the street until 5am?
 

 

[Chucktshoes]

There are over 150 special liquor licenses baked into state law for 'special licenses'...  many have no mention of closing times nor prohibiting them from serving open air.  Beale Street is just one of these special licenses listed in state law.... and don't get me started on those special licenses :)

 

I still suspect something is going on funny here...  I don't live in Memphis and don't care enough to visit for it to matter... but I'm willing to bet a beer that if somebody digged deep enough they'd see something not right about state and city funding of road/sidewalk repairs and Beale Street and all the state highways and routes it crosses and receives funding from...  Either the city is claiming it as a public road for funding purposes and spending the money elsewhere...  or it's paying the money to the private management company to maintain the road ans sidewalks (and when I saw pay, it might not be pay but might be reductions in fees based on costs spent fixing the road).

 

But maybe I'm wrong ;)

Oh, I guarantee it. I live here and there is always something funny going on. I think we get our public officials from the same criminal finishing schools as Chicago.