So much for Ted Cruz as President

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I think they will know it in time for the mid-terms. I do think the 2016 election will be about which class, frustrated or spoiled,

decides to vote the most, but I can't think of anyone who is electable until after the mid-terms are over. Too many variables

right now.

Edited January 5, 2014 by 6.8 AR

[LowBb]

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

These people will vote dem.

I agree. It does depend on which group of people is most frustrated. Lots of frustrated republicans. However, the party is split.

A third party person is possible. Momentum is a beast.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Statistically, those people don't vote unless bribed with a carton of cigs and a six pack of beer. Yes, the Dems do know this. :D

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Well, if Cristy would give me a carton of cigs and a six-pack, at least I'd get SOMETHING out of voting for him! :)

[RobertNashville]

The Republicans couldn't beat Fidel Castro in a national election. With that said, Obamacare really is a dog with fleas. Everybody will know that by 2016. The economy isn't going anywhere either. So, the Democrats may have beaten themselves.

 

I don't think the Libertarians can grow fast enough to win anything. These elections are bought. They don't swing a big enough bat yet, and won't by 2016. I would be just fine with a Libertarian president. It just ain't gonna happen.

The only way a Libertarian will be president is to get the Republican nomination which is why Ross Perot sought the R nomination.

The Libertarian party has had more than enough time to become an effective third-party and has failed to make a ripple in the political lake...I don't see that changing anytime soon and most assuredly not by 2016.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

That's why I said "maybe".

 

As far as my earlier comments about Hillary and Christie, the former will be fed to the wolves and the latter will just as likely be the

Democrat nominee as she would have been. I think if Hillary is the Dem candidate, she will have a huge uphill propaganda campaign

that will be seen through by the public. She has made so many Republican campaign ads in the last term to kill her candidacy. And,

from what I see about Christie, he is nothing more of a candidate than the last two runner-ups.

 

Everything is up in the air, right now, and neither major party has much to offer. When Obamacare kills the insurance companies and

people see their federal premiums, there will be a lot of disgruntled Americans than just the ones who were already against it and then

you will see how little the Democrats "rule". Right now, the ones on the Democrat side against the President are the ones who want

more power and steering more to the left.

 

I see the Democrat Party exploding while the Republican Party implodes.

[kieefer]

I 'm happy with either of the ones already mentioned except for Hillary and Christie.  :)

 

I just want to get through with the 2014 election and then see what we got left.

 

FYI,

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_5199.html

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Yeh, the makeup of the House and senate will determine much more than which kind of prez we may or may not get in 2016. If

those senators are as scared for their jobs as I've been reading and they get tossed out, it may mean a lot more towards the

presidential race than many think. That link I posted earlier alluded that if Roberts had sided with the right on the ACA decision,

it could have also meant Obama wouldn't have been re-elected. We'll never know about that.

 

Tanker. Did Cruz ever say he was interested in running for Prez? If he has, I must have missed it. Of course, if you lump him in with

every politician and just say they are all alike, you can further generalize away. I'm curious about something else. What do the comments

on an article really mean? I'm referring to that Yahoo article you mentioned. There is almost nothing you could draw out of comments,

except some you or I may like or dislike. All those comments could be from Mars, for all you or I know. I have never considered comments

on an article to mean much, but I could be missing something. Hell, half of them can't even spell.

 

It's difficult enough to discern what someone you know said, and further away when out of context.

Edited January 6, 2014 by 6.8 AR

[JayC]

Rand Paul will appeal to young voters and civil libertarians, while standing up for the free markets and civil rights for members of the right.

As I've said before Cruz isn't eligible to be president... And libertarians will sit at home rather than vote for Christie, just like they did for Romney.

Just remember if everybody who voted for McCain in 2008 had voted for Romney in 2012 he would have won by a wide margin... Why is it that so many voters stayed home and refused to vote for Romney? Because he was a RINO and didn't believe in small government.

For a Republican to win in 2016, the first thing he or she will have to do is appeal to all sides of a very divided party. I don't see any of the currently mentioned candidates doing that. Hopefully there is someone out there that can.

[atlas3025]

Relax guys. The media will pick our candidate for us.

[Guest TankerHC]

First it isnt preseason. Filing for midterms has already started. and will be over by the end of February. How many here even know who has filed, prepared to file or actually care.

 

Second, mid term elections, including Campaigns, are the unofficial beginning of the Presidential Campaign. But in reality, the Presidential Campaign began a month ago. Christie will not win, they have too much on him, Hillary will beat him and right now the Left is selecting him as our Candidate through the Press and idiots are going along with them.

 

Anyone who will vote for Cruz willingly, has other motivations than the Constitution. Prior to McCain's run neither Obama nor Cruz nor Rubio nor any other foreigner had a Constitutional right to be President. I have thought about it a lot and even if Cruz wins the nomination (If he does it will only be because the left wants him  to), I will not vote for him, I had seriously thought that I should,  I will not vote for another unqualified foreigner to lead the Country.  Saving the country by competently destroying the Constitution is not something I am willing to participate in. The McCain Rule is how Obama got through with one natural born parent, it is also how Cruz filed, I don't give a sh__ if Cruz is the reincarnation of George Washington, he isn't eligible, and a bunch of Federal Judges changing the law, re-interpreting 236 years of "qualifying" to get the Progressive we have now. Obama cannot be removed because Congress will not even attempt to go in that direction, Cruz cannot win because Republicans have been destroying him publicly and the Left has OFFICIAL documentation proving how his father got into the Country, where he came from and his strong Communist ties. The Michigan Law review published an Article a while back "Why McCain cannot be President". Well Article I, Section II applies to Cruz and Rubio as well, and that Campaign began the date he filed election paperwork months ago. 

 

The Presidential Campaigns began unofficially a month ago. The mid term campaigns had begun officially within the last month and unofficially months ago.

 

West CAN  beat whoever may end up running on the Left. Christie, Cruz, Rubio (Who claims to have backed out for the reason he is not qualified) and several others who are retreads like Michelle Bachman, Santorum and Perry have ZERO chance of winning. Ryan is considering, he also has no chance. 

 

But I am sure it doesn't matter who gets elected to some people.The total annihilation of our Constitutionality is hanging by a shoestring, current polling shows that 80% of the incumbents barely have to run a campaign and will be re-elected. The SAME Historical 80% plus that have always win, will win again. 

 

I will not back any Candidate that is selected for the Republicans by the left,as they have in the past two elections with the help of the press, or by the RNC unless they are true Conservatives and qualified United States Citizens, 

 

Rand Paul, West, Dr. Carson, and there are one or two others can beat Obama, the rest cannot or are not eligible. 

 

I have voted the line for 34 years, no longer. And I know about 32 million who are organizing that also will not.

 

Good luck with the ineligible Cruz and the other losers. 

[Oh Shoot]

Just remember if everybody who voted for McCain in 2008 had voted for Romney in 2012 he would have won by a wide margin...

 

How do you rationalize that statement:?

 

2008: McCain: 59,950,323  Obama: 69,499,428

2012: Romney: 60,932,235 votes Obama: 65,917,258

 

Romney got more votes than McCain, Obama got millions less second time around.

 

- OS

[Guest 6.8 AR]

"I have thought about it a lot and even if Cruz wins the nomination (If he does it will only be because the left wants him  to), I will not vote for him, I had seriously thought that I should,  I will not vote for another unqualified foreigner to lead the Country."

 

Who was the first one you voted for?

[tnguy]

Being a vet I understand why he done what he done, but my understanding is not what would be used in the media blitz against him.

 

Most people don't know anything about him so the media will fill the void with "Military officer recklessly endangers POW protected under international law by shooting a gun off next to his head and was convicted of multiple counts of assault by a military tribunal"

 

They're not going to say "This excellent military officer saved American lives by coercing information from a violent jihadist"

 

You know how the game is played, and someone convicted of a crime involving guns will be mince meat via the MSM.

 

 

Quite possibly the people that would be an issue for would not have voted for him anyway.

 

I don't know why Republicans feel they need to get far left-wing votes.

Edited January 7, 2014 by tnguy

[RobertNashville]

Rand Paul will appeal to young voters and civil libertarians, while standing up for the free markets and civil rights for members of the right.

As I've said before Cruz isn't eligible to be president... And libertarians will sit at home rather than vote for Christie, just like they did for Romney.

Just remember if everybody who voted for McCain in 2008 had voted for Romney in 2012 he would have won by a wide margin... Why is it that so many voters stayed home and refused to vote for Romney? Because he was a RINO and didn't believe in small government.
 

Republicans and Democrats stayed home if I remember the stats correctly; meaning that it wasn't just libertarians.

As to Rand Paul, I suspect a lot of conservatives, me for one, will not vote for someone who wants open borders and amnesty for millions of criminals.

[Sam1]

First it isnt preseason. Filing for midterms has already started. and will be over by the end of February. How many here even know who has filed, prepared to file or actually care.

Second, mid term elections, including Campaigns, are the unofficial beginning of the Presidential Campaign. But in reality, the Presidential Campaign began a month ago. Christie will not win, they have too much on him, Hillary will beat him and right now the Left is selecting him as our Candidate through the Press and idiots are going along with them.

Anyone who will vote for Cruz willingly, has other motivations than the Constitution. Prior to McCain's run neither Obama nor Cruz nor Rubio nor any other foreigner had a Constitutional right to be President. I have thought about it a lot and even if Cruz wins the nomination (If he does it will only be because the left wants him to), I will not vote for him, I had seriously thought that I should, I will not vote for another unqualified foreigner to lead the Country. Saving the country by competently destroying the Constitution is not something I am willing to participate in. The McCain Rule is how Obama got through with one natural born parent, it is also how Cruz filed, I don't give a sh__ if Cruz is the reincarnation of George Washington, he isn't eligible, and a bunch of Federal Judges changing the law, re-interpreting 236 years of "qualifying" to get the Progressive we have now. Obama cannot be removed because Congress will not even attempt to go in that direction, Cruz cannot win because Republicans have been destroying him publicly and the Left has OFFICIAL documentation proving how his father got into the Country, where he came from and his strong Communist ties. The Michigan Law review published an Article a while back "Why McCain cannot be President". Well Article I, Section II applies to Cruz and Rubio as well, and that Campaign began the date he filed election paperwork months ago.

The Presidential Campaigns began unofficially a month ago. The mid term campaigns had begun officially within the last month and unofficially months ago.

West CAN beat whoever may end up running on the Left. Christie, Cruz, Rubio (Who claims to have backed out for the reason he is not qualified) and several others who are retreads like Michelle Bachman, Santorum and Perry have ZERO chance of winning. Ryan is considering, he also has no chance.

But I am sure it doesn't matter who gets elected to some people.The total annihilation of our Constitutionality is hanging by a shoestring, current polling shows that 80% of the incumbents barely have to run a campaign and will be re-elected. The SAME Historical 80% plus that have always win, will win again.

I will not back any Candidate that is selected for the Republicans by the left,as they have in the past two elections with the help of the press, or by the RNC unless they are true Conservatives and qualified United States Citizens,

Rand Paul, West, Dr. Carson, and there are one or two others can beat Obama, the rest cannot or are not eligible.

I have voted the line for 34 years, no longer. And I know about 32 million who are organizing that also will not.

Good luck with the ineligible Cruz and the other losers.

You're stuck on West for some reason... Not sure why you think someone convicted of multiple charges of aggrevated assault has a better chance at winning a primary over others with a clean and respectable record.

[Guest TankerHC]

West wasn't convicted of anything. See above.

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[tnguy]

Republicans and Democrats stayed home if I remember the stats correctly; meaning that it wasn't just libertarians.

As to Rand Paul, I suspect a lot of conservatives, me for one, will not vote for someone who wants open borders and amnesty for millions of criminals.

 

I still don't understand why he went that way. I'm theoretically for fairly open borders myself but there are a whole lot of things that would have to be fixed first before that should even be considered.

[RobertNashville]

I still don't understand why he went that way. I'm theoretically for fairly open borders myself but there are a whole lot of things that would have to be fixed first before that should even be considered.

I guess the "open borders" thing is pretty "normal" for a libertarian but I will I never support it. However, the deal killer for me is his being willing to go for amnesty -  it just seems completely off the deep end to me. I can't fathom why any patriot who claims to believe in the rule of law would be in favor of amnesty for millions of criminals.

Edited January 7, 2014 by RobertNashville

[tnguy]

I agree there.

 

It should be borne in mind that open borders worked for a long time. It's mostly the modern welfare system, military adventurism and high burdens on native workers that lead to it being a problem these days. As such, it's a discussion I'm perfectly willing to postpone until we have those other issues sorted.

[Sam1]

West wasn't convicted of anything. See above.

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Sure he was, he was not courtmartialed, but he pleaded guilty to assualt himself to avoid having to go through a courtmartial because there were years of jailtime waiting on the other end of that case.

[atlas3025]

How do you rationalize that statement:?

 

2008: McCain: 59,950,323  Obama: 69,499,428

2012: Romney: 60,932,235 votes Obama: 65,917,258

 

Romney got more votes than McCain, Obama got millions less second time around.

 

- OS

 

I doubt that the entire 60 million that voted for McCain in 08 voted for Romney in 2012...I bet some of the 4 million that didn't vote for Sauron this time around are probably in that Romney number.  

 

I don't know that there were enough McCain voters sitting out (or even voting for Sauron this time), but I bet there were quite a bit.  It may have been closer...it also have made a difference in the swing states.  I do think that the Romney did nothing to inspire his prospective voters...and that does matter.  

[kieefer]

This BS about Cruz not being eligible is just that, BS. Same circumstances existed for Obama and McCain. Get over it.

 

All of this is BS anyway. We will argue back and forth beating each others candidate down when in fact we will get the same crap sandwich when all is said and done.

[Oh Shoot]

I doubt that the entire 60 million that voted for McCain in 08 voted for Romney in 2012...I bet some of the 4 million that didn't vote for Sauron this time around are probably in that Romney number.  

 

I don't know that there were enough McCain voters sitting out (or even voting for Sauron this time), but I bet there were quite a bit.  It may have been closer...it also have made a difference in the swing states.  I do think that the Romney did nothing to inspire his prospective voters...and that does matter.  

 

All pure conjecture.

 

The fact is that 2.6 million fewer voters showed at the polls in 2012 than in 2008. The GOP got more votes, Obama got 3.5 million less. To me this more logically indicates that if anything, more Dem voters stayed home than GOP voters.

 

- OS

Edited January 7, 2014 by Oh Shoot

[atlas3025]

Well sure it is conjecture, and speculation.  If you are right, and you may be...I don't think a conservative will ever win the Presidency again.