When is enough enough?

[TripleDigitRide]

With the ever-expanding and restrictive gun control measures happening all over the country, when is enough going to be enough? Will it ever?

 

As I read the seemingly endless stories about magazine restrictions, specific firearm bans, mandatory firearm registration, I can't help but wonder how and why The People are allowing this to happen. Is everyone else sitting here, thinking something like this cannot and will not happen to them? Thinking the restrictions won't become any more severe?

 

The top 10 most restrictive states have a combined population of roughly 112,000,000 (one-hundred-twelve-million). Many of these states also have the most money and voting power. With such a large percentage of the population living in some of the most restrictive states like New York, New Jersey, Illinois, California and the like, how do the rest expect to have a chance at stopping any further restrictions, much less rolling back any of the already implemented restrictions? 

 

It seems the sharks are circling the boat, picking us off, one by one. One state here, one state there. The submission and complacency is a bit mind-boggling to me. Maybe it's just me.

[Oh Shoot]

With the ever-expanding and restrictive gun control measures happening all over the country, when is enough going to be enough? Will it ever?

 

Nope. Unless something turns it around, and I believe that will take the systemic financial and societal breakdown of The Big Pain, the US will continue to sink into liberal socialism. The vicious circle is now well embedded. As more and more sink into poverty because of lib policy, they in turn must rely on lib handouts, which induces them to vote to keep the cause of their demise in power.

 

I think the country will go totally south before we're all in the same boat as NY, CT, NJ (or worse) gun wise -- but if it doesn't, we'll eventually look about like the Aussies in regard to gun rights, and likely worse. Canada will look like conservative gun heaven by comparison.

 

It's not even really about the guns, it's about control of the populace. Once they have control of your pocketbook, the only thing really left in the way of that are the guns.

 

And of course I hope I'm dead wrong.

 

- OS

Edited January 3, 2014 by Oh Shoot

[enfield]

It'll continue until someone starts shooting.  The fools seem determined to push it that far.  "They" don't believe it will come to shooting - "they" think we'll hold our wrists out for the handcuffs and walk into the cages.  Some will, some won't.

[BrasilNuts]

What worries me most about the registration in Connecticut is that all the gun control advocates are watching. They're watching and seeing all these gun owners line up to comply with this unconstitutional law and register their guns. I believe this will only embolden them to try and implement more restrictive laws in other states.

I'm sure there are Connecticuters who will refuse to register their guns, but that won't matter. Just like the people who defy New Yorks Safe Act, they'll get picked up one by one over the years and thrown in jail.

This is what compromise gets you.

We need to take back the rights we've lost. Stop being reactive and start being proactive.

[DaveTN]

Unless I’m missing something it’s just you. Scratch Illinois off your list. They will be carrying this year. Look at the 7th Federal District ruling and the subsequent Illinois Supreme Court Ruling. Some states have passed legislation that they will not recognize any Federal bans.

We have had more positive court rulings and gun legislation in the past five years than we have had in the past 50.

I’m not saying to relax, but the anti gunners are losing their battles.

[Steelharp]

Unless I’m missing something it’s just you. Scratch Illinois off your list. They will be carrying this year. Look at the 7th Federal District ruling and the subsequent Illinois Supreme Court Ruling. Some states have passed legislation that they will not recognize any Federal bans.

We have had more positive court rulings and gun legislation in the past five years than we have had in the past 50.

I’m not saying to relax, but the anti gunners are losing their battles.

Maybe. But the ones they are WINNING are the ones being plastered everywhere.

[runco]

This thread got me thinking what the climate actually is say in Connecticut.  So I googled Connecticut Gun Boards and found the CTGuntalk.com.  I have just spent the past 20 min. trolling their message boards.   Maybe I didn't go deep enough, but I sure didn't find the rant and rage I was expecting to find.  If anything, I found nothing but orderly compliance.  I saw a thread or two about the lawsuits that have been filed, but honestly I thought I would find the hate page.  Maybe I need to dig deeper.   Is the playbook for us?

 

If you want to look, here is their site:

http://www.ctguntalk.com/smf/index.php?action=forum

Edited January 3, 2014 by Runco

[Lowpower]

Maybe. But the ones they are WINNING are the ones being plastered everywhere.

Control the media and you control the "truth". Why would anyone expect anything less?

 

The days of Watergate are long gone.

 

Lp

[Randall53]

They want them all. That's the end zone for them. They're also a very patient group. That's why the demands and bills to ban will continue along with the constant banter about compromise. They know that each compromise moves them a little further down the field.

[homeagain]

Nope. Unless something turns it around, and I believe that will take the systemic financial and societal breakdown of The Big Pain, the US will continue to sink into liberal socialism. The vicious circle is now well embedded. As more and more sink into poverty because of lib policy, they in turn must rely on lib handouts, which induces them to vote to keep the cause of their demise in power.

 

I think the country will go totally south before we're all in the same boat as NY, CT, NJ (or worse) gun wise -- but if it doesn't, we'll eventually look about like the Aussies in regard to gun rights, and likely worse. Canada will look like conservative gun heaven by comparison.

 

It's not even really about the guns, it's about control of the populace. Once they have control of your pocketbook, the only thing really left in the way of that are the guns.

 

And of course I hope I'm dead wrong.

 

- OS

 

I hope you're dead wrong, too.....unfortunately I think you are dead right.  The New Deal, The Great Society, PPACA, etc. (I feel) were purely designed to incrementally bring us into the state in which we find ourselves now.  Society that is heavily concentrated in the cities are the most dependent on The Great Nanny, but that dependence has permeated even the most remote and traditionally self-sufficient locales to a large degree.  Also, consider the 'breeding incentives' given to the Great Dependents.  Conservative populations are falling off, while the Lib-minions still breed like rabbits.  Used to be that large families were needed to work the farm, or produce some sort of effort beneficial to society (when we used to actually make stuff).  Now that we're a 'service' society, the only tangible value realized from great numbers of offspring are larger welfare checks.  The productive population has shrunk, and the cockroaches have, well multiplied like cockroaches.  Sucks, but we're pretty much screwed.  Clowns to the left of us, jokers to the right.

[Ted S.]

Sheer stupidity. And at its finest. Sent from somewhere in the cosmos using magic...and bacon.

[bersaguy]

It will be enough when the Second Shot Heard Around the World takes place................jmho

[Glenn]

It will never be enough.

[East_TN_Patriot]

Control the media and you control the "truth". Why would anyone expect anything less?
 
The days of Watergate are long gone.
 
Lp

And let's be clear on this point; this is not something new. The American Revolution was partly won because of control over the media in the colonies. The famous engraving of the Boston Massacre made by Paul Revere was nothing but propaganda and it was circulated by a media that was sympathetic to the cause.

Gun owners are buying into the same media hype and are their own worst enemy because of it. As DaveTN correctly pointed out, we have seen more victories for gun rights in the past decade than I ever thought I'd see in my life. Instead, gun owners get all in a frenzy over what some state legislature in a notoriously anti-gun state does, get all belligerent, alienate anyone who doesn't adopt their panicked rhetoric, and live up to the stereotype the anti-gun media presents to moderates who don't know much about the gun rights issue.

[TripleDigitRide]

I do feel better knowing the problem is just a figment of my imagination. I will definitely stop watching the news. 

[JohnC]

What worries me most about the registration in Connecticut is that all the gun control advocates are watching. They're watching and seeing all these gun owners line up to comply with this unconstitutional law and register their guns. I believe this will only embolden them to try and implement more restrictive laws in other states.

I'm sure there are Connecticuters who will refuse to register their guns, but that won't matter. Just like the people who defy New Yorks Safe Act, they'll get picked up one by one over the years and thrown in jail.

This is what compromise gets you.

We need to take back the rights we've lost. Stop being reactive and start being proactive.

I really think it started with the NFA and all this classification BS of SBR's, DD's, FA's, etc. We can add not allowing AP, API, etc., as well.

That happened before my time, but gun owners not fighting against it and continuing that fight until full repeals was a huge loss for 2A Rights as well.

First they got the NFA, now they're coming for the Semi-Auto's (AR15's, etc.) and Hi-Cap Magazines.

What's next? Everything else, progressively, one by one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzDO86iSKWU Edited January 4, 2014 by JohnC

[frankmako]

the only way to control the people is to take away all the guns.  that will take some time to do.  yes, some will line up to turn them in.  but most will not.   

[JohnC]

the only way to control the people is to take away all the guns.  that will take some time to do.  yes, some will line up to turn them in.  but most will not.

What should have happened in CT was NONE of them should have complied. If they can't enforce an unconstitutional law, they'll have no choice but to repeal it. Because if that many gun owners stood their ground firm and said "come get'um if you think you can" I don't think they would've had a drop of success with this crap.

If they ever try that #### in TN, we need to all organize every gun owner, refuse to comply and tell'um to shove that worthless ink and paper up their oppressive asses!

[JohnC]

I'll add, they shouldn't have complied and then they should have revolted and marched on that capitol and demanded repeal and fought it day and night, even if they had to stand out on the sidewalk in front of those politicians houses.

There is no reason for all those gun owners to be so spineless and just bow to their unconstitutional demands.

[bersaguy]

I have a feeling that folks seeing all those stupid people standing in line may have made many more folks all the more determined to not be that stupid. I know it showed me just how stupid some people can be and I will never be standing in a gun line unless it would be to buy another one..................jmho

[leroy]

I say that if folks like these sons and daughters of satan that they vote for disarmin them; let them get a good dose of it... They seem to like that sort of thing in lots of places at the state level in places like Connecticut, Massachusetts,  New York, and Kalefornia...

 

I'm like Dave and ET on this one.... No one is gonna come and disarm anyone in this state; or in any other one where the citizenry believe in the plain reading of the constitution and the bill of rights...

 

On a personal basis, i believe that the individual states are gonna continue to devolve into two confederations... A red one where folks believe that the constitution and the bill of rights means what the plain reading of it says; and a blue one where ya get the stuff we are discussing now....

 

I simply dont believe that anyone can ban and confiscate guns as long as the Bill of Rights is around; and i dont believe that even the most ravenous "progressive" supreme court justice is gonna suspend the bill of rights... If the bill of rights can be suspended by politicians; the courts can be suspended; and those who sit on those courts well know that...

 

Havin said all that, i believe we should all be watchful and vigilant as to these issues and hold these ratty politicians accountable for their actions ALA Colorado...I well remember when that geat old white haired plantation master Albert Gore, SR wuz voted out of the senate after 30 years of  "sacrificial public service" to his rustic "children" in the Great State of Tennessee over one vote ... That vote; a "yea" for the infamous Gun Control Act of 1968....

 

watchin leroy

Edited January 4, 2014 by leroy

[gregintenn]

the only way to control the people is to take away all the guns.  that will take some time to do.  yes, some will line up to turn them in.  but most will not.   

I disagree. Most will turn them in.

[JohnC]

Some warnings from history...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1ABw6IMKn0

Around 21:10 is the gun control by Nazis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baApAqBK82Q

[Chucktshoes]

Registration = confiscation = extermination. Any politician that votes for registration and any government agent that facilitates or attempts to enforce that registration declares themselves an enemy of the American people by their actions and are therefore a valid target for assassination. Attempts to disarm the American people aren't simple misguided political positions, they are overt acts of war against the American people and should be handled accordingly.

[DaveTN]

Registration = confiscation = extermination. Any politician that votes for registration and any government agent that facilitates or attempts to enforce that registration declares themselves an enemy of the American people by their actions and are therefore a valid target for assassination. Attempts to disarm the American people aren't simple misguided political positions, they are overt acts of war against the American people and should be handled accordingly.

You can’t call for the assassination of officials elected by the people just because you don’t agree with what they say. You are a loud mouth when it comes to the rights of individuals and innocent until proven guilty, but apparently are okay with the murder of those that don’t agree with you or that you think have committed some crime.